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by cperciva 2614 days ago
Ironically, tether is pretty much immune from bank runs... because it's impossible to withdraw money at all.
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>because it's impossible to withdraw money at all.

I heard this meme being repeated since forever and it never made sense to me. As I understand it, you could exchange USDT for real USD at any participating exchange. Not being able to convert USDT would mean not being able to withdraw from any of those exchanges, but there's no widespread reports of this. Also, you could convert USDT to USD at Kraken, and they definitely don't have any withdraw problems. Finally, if you really couldn't withdraw USD from an exchange, it would become evident because BTC priced would skyrocket as people scramble to find other ways to withdraw their cash. We saw this with mtgox, but not here (there's a premium but nowhere close to mtgox levels)

edit: clarified which part I'm replying to

Imagine if Bitfinex shut down with no warning. All the USDT stored in Bitfinex would simply be lost so it wouldn't cause a bank run. But massive amounts of USDT would flow from Bittrex, Hitbtc, and Poloniex to Kraken where the price would drop to pennies due to lack of liquidity. Maybe then Kraken suspends trading "to calm the market" and never resumes.

I am reminded of the default of BTCST which I guess no one remembers.

> As I understand it, you could exchange USDT for real USD at any participating exchange. Not being able to convert USDT would mean not being able to withdraw from any of those exchanges

That's selling Tether, not withdrawing Tether from the pool.

The point is, since it was already effectively impossible to withdraw any Tethers from the pool, does it really matter that the fund that backs those tethers can only support withdrawing 74% of the available USDT?

Currencies doesn't have to be backed to have value. Ours used to be backed by gold, but then we figured out that doesn't necessarily matter as long as people have to use it and the supply of it matches demand consistently enough.

So the interesting question is, will they be able to keep the price pegged to USD by selling and buying USDT in sufficient quantities to keep the price stable.

This is rather the point this comment is making: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19793326

The point of having the reserves in US Dollars is that Tether could theoretically buy back surplus USDT's from an exchange that trades in it. Otherwise an exchange could be left holding millions of worthless USDT with no means to move that back to US dollars.
Only if you ask for permission from Tether, first. If you have power to seize the bank accounts, however...

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/t/tether-usdt.asp

"On the contrary, we have been informed that these Crypto Capital amounts are not lost but have been, in fact, seized and safeguarded. We are and have been actively working to exercise our rights and remedies and get those funds released. Sadly, the New York Attorney General’s office seems to be intent on undermining those efforts to the detriment of our customers."

"We have been informed that" is lawyerspeak that has as an implication of "we don't actually believe the following and it almost certainly isn't true, but what we were told is..."
And "seized and safeguarded" itself sounds suspiciously like a polite way of saying "our accounts are frozen on suspicion of financial regulations (and/or money laundering), and we hope to be able to successfully defend ourselves in court."