[akvadrako]

> My takeaway from the last 30 years in computer science is that errors are not exceptional. They occur often and should be accounted for near the code that generates the errors.

This is exactly opposite my experience. In 90% of cases there is no way to recover from an error locally and I should just fail at the highest level, possibly retrying a few times.

[jrockway]

If that's correct, then our systems are built on false assumptions. SSDs should not see an ECC error and write the data to a new block; that error should kill your program. TCP should not detect packet loss and retransmit, it should kill your program?

My point is, a lot of good error handling is built at the lowest level, close to the point of failure. That code knows what the problems are and how to fix them. Errors are not the exception, they are the rule. If you handle it well, people won't even know how unreliable the underlying system is. (NAND flash? The first time I used raw NAND flash I was blown away at how unreliable it was. How do computers even work at all like this, I thought. Then I realized... that's why so much money is poured into things like SSD controllers. To hide that fact from the user and make them happy, even if the raw technology it's built from doesn't offer perfect reliability.)

[fauigerzigerk]

>My point is, a lot of good error handling is built at the lowest level, close to the point of failure.

This is very true for some types of errors and for some types of programs but not true at all for others, which is why this debate has been going on and on for decades.

An extremely common example for the latter is programs that touch a DBMS or file system on every other line. You don't want to see error handling code for "database is gone" or "local disk is gone" events all over the place.

The information required to handle these errors just doesn't exist in the local context. So the only reasonable question is how to let those errors bubble up to some central location where you can handle them or decide to abort.

In my opinion there are good arguments for and against both exceptions and error returns. But if error returns are used, then there must be some reasonably ergonomic way to do it, i.e not what Go does right now.

[jrockway]

I just don't agree with adding more syntax to the language for what basically amounts to an if statement. If it's a conditional, which it is, just use an if statement.

Look at all the monad tutorials for Haskell. Nobody knows how to use the special syntax for Maybe and Either. They read hundreds of articles and still don't get it. Meanwhile, everyone understands how "if err != nil" works, perhaps too well, which is why they complain about it.