[linuxboxer]

Thousands of studies link low-level wireless radio frequency radiation exposures to a long list of adverse biological effects, including:

DNA single and double strand breaks.

Oxidative damage.

Disruption of cell metabolism.

Increased blood brain barrier permeability.

Melatonin reduction.

Disruption to brain glucose metabolism.

Generation of stress proteins.

Let’s not also forget that in 2011 the World Health Organization (WHO) classified radio frequency radiation as a possible 2B carcinogen.

[bayareanative]

It's not ionizing radiation AND it's low power. Stop spreading baseless FUD hysteria.

[sytelus]

Non-ionizing radiation does not mean harmless radiation. Low power radiation could be quite harmful when exposure in 24x7 for long term. Power levels reduces probability of DNA damage but if exposure is long term then it’s cumulative effect.

People living near cell phone antennas have severe health issues and even phone companies don’t debate this. They are required to put health hazard warning around those antennas for certain perimeter and homes are not allowed to be built close to them. Unfortunately those limits are absolute bare minimum. There huge amount of “research” phone companies have funded to backup these minimum limits and no independent researchers would agree with it. For 5G, numbers of antennas are going to increase by 10X and if you live in city, there is very good chance you are not too far from it.

[0b0001]

If you're talking to a person 1m away from you, both of you can whisper. If you're 50m away, both of you need to shout.

It's similar to radio transmission.

The closer some base station antenna is, the lower the power your smartphone needs to reach the base station. Having many base stations reduces the effective field power.

Modern LTE and 5G also has something that is called beamforming. Instead of shouting in all directions, the base station restricts the radio signal to the direction of the smartphone. Other won't hear the noise.

It's not correct that "faster data" means there's more "EM things" around us. Basically we use the radio transmission more efficiently.

tldr: if you wanna avoid radiation, be close to a base station where powersaving kicks in.

[jvanderbot]

The base station transmits with higher power and much more frequently than your cell phone does (unless you are the only one served by the tower and tx more than rx for some reason). If you are concerned about radiation from telcom / cell, living near a base station is a bad idea.

[reitanqild]

Citation much needed, for this is contrary to anything I've learned (engineer, have worked with radio and radar systems for years, and the only case that I know that hasn't been debunked was from the crew of an electronic warfare ship.)

I'm not to good with low level stuff but this might go down to the famous wave/particle thing where one of the experiments that supported the particle explanation was that beneath a certain energy the radiation would not ionize a given material, however long they exposed it and however much radiation it was.

(Anyone who knows this better feel free to correct me, this is just what I remember from school when I'm maybe more than twice as old.)

[thereisnospork]

>Non-ionizing radiation does not mean harmless radiation.

Please describe by which mechanism dna molecules are damaged by non ionizing radiation (e.g. a cell phone tower).

[thoughtfunction]

You also get EM radiation from the electric wiring in your house, lightbulbs, the sun and so on. It's also about the strength of that EM radiation that determines is if it's harmful.

To compare, your wifi router does a max of 4000mW transmission, which is 4W

[jokowueu]

4watt routers ??? Where

The most I found was 1 watt which is allowed by the FCC

[glax]

Where are you getting that information from ? My outdoor Wifi CPE has maximum Tx Power of 23dBm which is about 200mW, which gives me signal strenght of -65dBm and my internet tower is approx 6Km far.

I think you have typo on the decimal points on the watts.

[thoughtfunction]

I based it on this table: https://w.wol.ph/2015/08/28/maximum-wifi-transmission-power-...

2.4 ghz tends to be 200mW, and 5ghz max tends to be 4000mW. I wanted to be as pessimistic as possible to still make my point.

Although with stuff like 4x4 MU-MIMO routers or dual network routers with one for 2.4ghz and for 5ghz, you could say it's 4 radios at once = 16W max. Radiation per inch of 4x4W power sources is different than one 16W source, so it's not 1:1.

[lighteater]

The 50/60hz wiring radiation is a mild annoyance compared to 2.4 and 5Ghz wifi (I prefer 5Ghz because it seems to transfer less heat to my tissues); I sporadically use 4G on my phone so I don't need a permanent wifi installation in my room. Contrarily, I've found that staring into the sun, early in the morning for seconds up to a few minutes, is quite pleasant.

If 5G is much worse than 4G I'm literally getting lead-lined underwear. It's already a bother to keep my phone sufficiently far from my brain and balls while typing this comment.

Then again, my sensitivity is way too high. I can also feel whether my microwave is turned on through the wall!

[crooked-v]

> I prefer 5Ghz because it seems to transfer less heat to my tissues

A single 60W incandescent bulb (which has about 10% efficiency for its lighting) transfers more heat to your tissues than a stack of 10 home routers.

[lighteater]

That's a wide-band transmission with a regular 50hz signal, instead of a narrow-band 2.4/5Ghz modulated by chaotic 10/100/1000Mhz (Mb/s) data.

Like the difference between a lightbulb and a tissue-penetrating laser strobe.

[mveety]

No it isn’t. The antenna is basically just a flashing light bulb for 5 GHz. 5 GHz transfers way less energy into your body than visible or infrared light because it’s not absorbed as readily and each photon has less energy. It’s like the difference between a blue lightbulb and a red lightbulb.

[jodrellblank]

Then again, my sensitivity is way too high. I can also feel whether my microwave is turned on through the wall!

Your microwave is a Faraday cage, it's not supposed to let microwaves leak out -> https://www.amazon.com/Microwave-Leak-Detector/s?k=Microwave... something like this might tell you if it's damaged.

A double blind test where you are deafened so you can't hear it, and don't know when it's on/off, would be interesting.

[sjnair96]

>Contrarily, I've found that staring into the sun, early in the morning for seconds up to a few minutes, is quite pleasant.

Interesting... What've been your findings?

[lighteater]

It's good for my mood and concentration, and it supports my sleep rhythm. I shouldn't focus on seeing into the sun itself, though I have seen it look 3D now, super cool! That hurt my eyes for a day or so, they felt mildly bruised. It wasn't so bad, as I've hurt my eyes quite a lot before, playing around with a green laser with diffractor. That felt like "100+ small cuts in my retina" that lasted for over a week.

It works best to aim for an "HDR" effect (as a baseline, or when it's at all uncomfortable), so look around the sun and only for a small part of the time directly into the sun, aiming to make the sun more defined (vs. "overexposed white area").

For safe fun, use a candle instead. A real burning one, LEDs are Not Nice for staring at.

[rhn_mk1]

Any links to back it up?