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by kevin_b_er 2620 days ago
Apple operates on Form Over Function and has for years. The engineering team is subservient to the design team. You are seeing the consequences of it live. The engineering team knows the butterfly keyboard design is fundamentally flawed, but the design team has priority. There's only so much the engineers can do to make it Function while being constrained by Form.

This is the same type of corporate structural flaw as Boeing has, just without the loss of life for Apple. They needed to sell the plane without re-certifying, so the management demands some poor engineers work around it while having their hands tied behind their back.

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Without constraints and product goals, engineering is just wanking around with math. Every great product you've ever used started with a vision and then engineering was brought to bear to make the vision a reality.

There is a role for engineering to adjust the vision when necessary to comport with reality. It's not clear that was an issue with these keyboards as it's not clear that anyone knew up front that the butterfly mechanism would have these problems.

It's worth remembering that when Apple launched this keyboard, they didn't just say it's thin, they touted the engineering that went into it. I really, really doubt that this was a situation where the engineering team was banging the problem gong and was overruled. I know that's a popular way of thinking here on HN but I need at least some evidence to believe it.

This looks more like well-intentioned innovation that has just not worked out as well as they hoped, which happens sometimes, even with competent engineers. It's why Apple keeps such cash reserves on hand, so they can try new things and survive the ones that don't work out. Thankfully in this case, laptop keyboards are not life and death products.

You have no proof of that. They are both VPs. Once you have a certain level of authority, you don’t get to shift the blame.
I'm curious why Apple engineering employees don't post here. It would be a great time for that.
Apple is notoriously secretive, and has unusually restrictive policies about discussing work outside the company. At best we can have ex-Apple engineers chiming in.
Maybe they do :P
Jobs himself once said “Somewhere between the janitor and the ceo reasons stop mattering”

And the discussion about the quote on HN

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2524855