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by cmiles74 2620 days ago
The quotes from the Web Assembly team at Mozilla and Solomon Hykes read like these people are suffering from some kind of late 1990s amnesia. Till Schneidereit is saying exactly the same thing Sun said when Java was announced. Acting like they are breaking new ground strikes me as unhelpful and it's not clear to me how it will help the cause. Maybe WebAssembly will enjoy more success than Java, I truly hope that it does.

IMHO, the success of these products has very little to do with how good they might be technically. It's all about sales and marketing and, eventually, politics. Perhaps that's where the motivation to re-write recent history is coming from.
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otabdeveloper1 2620 days ago
> It's all about sales and marketing and, eventually, politics.

Not in this case. Java failed because it sucked from a technical point of view. It traded better 'OO purity' in exchange for worse security, portability and performance.

The end result is that users got something that was slower and buggier for no gain.

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btlr 2620 days ago
Where did you get this "Java failed" idea? Java is one of the most widely used languages in the whole world...
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otabdeveloper1 2620 days ago
Java failed as a portable language-agnostic VM for user-facing apps.

You know, the use-case it was originally designed for. (I read the hype for Java 1.0, I was there.)

Nobody at the time could imagine that Java would eventually become the enterprise COBOL replacement.

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cmiles74 2620 days ago
I'm not so sure it failed. I use IntelliJ IDEA daily, people in my office use WebStorm for Javascript development. There are Swing applications out there that people use, admittedly the ones I've seen are mostly business software. And of course all Android applications are leveraging Java.

It's argued that only IDEs use Java, but Java + Swing strikes me as the most popular cross-platform language and toolkit currently in use.

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vraivroo 2620 days ago
that's only if you don't consider "web/browser" to be "cross-platform"
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pjmlp 2620 days ago
We develop on Windows, deploy across OS X, Windows, UNIX, mainframes and embedded devices, without re-compiling.

Looks pretty much living the dream of portable language-agnostic VM for user-facing apps to me.

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cmiles74 2620 days ago
Java didn't succeed in terms of running code in a web page but it has been wildly successful in regards to "write once, run everywhere". It is widely deployed and has been successful isolating code specific to a particular OS or platform.

While it's clear that Javascript has been successful in the "run code in a web page" sense, it's primary deployment target remains the web browser; even when it's marketed as a cross-platform solution it's often targeting something like Electron.

WebAssembly has its work cut out for it trying to succeed in both of these spaces. I think the project might enhance it's chances for success by remembering Java and its browser plugin rather than pretending they are the first.

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