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by agumonkey 2620 days ago
I have a similar mindset, I hate money games.. it voids my soul. Money at best buys you peace of mind and I don't understand how societies ended up creating noise to justify this.
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I feel you, and you might not be alone. Apologies for unsolicited advice:

It is better to heed to reality sooner. One way to do that is not to change the way you think, but the way you live [0][1]. Modify your work and life such that you can make the maximum out of what the world has to offer [2].

Another interesting insight is the fact that the conclusion arrived to from a problem is not always the right one. For instance, when Henry Ford asked customers what they wanted, they said 'faster horse' when in reality they wanted to get from point A to point B as fast as possible. If you think you hate money games, perhaps it's worth being inquisitive about how you arrived at that conclusion-- what's the underlying cause: is it because you find the economic system is rigged, or because you have had bad luck with money and investments, or you have seen money gained by folks around you through means you don't agree with, or...

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19589434

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16693885

[2] http://paulgraham.com/wealth.html

> conclusion arrived to from a problem is not always the right one

Very true. I'm also very reflective about my own thinking process. Why I don't like money is that it's too relativistic. I can get money by doing something useless that someone believes has value. For instance neighbors pay me to do the most simplest tasks on their computers. To me this has no value, I now accept the money because I'm a bit angry as the world requires me to make money. In my few IT jobs I found the work was moot and drowned into accidental complexity. But that doesn't stop the world from playing the money game. Raises, politics, inflated product costs, improper jobs .. It happens in other places too. Basically a lot of sales is super dirty and driven by competition economics only.

Maybe it's not money but the average western person mindset that I have a problem with.

I find it very asocial and inhuman. I'd rather carry an old person's bag.

I can get money by doing something useless that someone believes has value

I call this the "I'm smarter than them" fallacy. You think it's useless, they believe it has value. Why do you think they can't see it "your" way? Is it that you know something they don't (in which case, your knowledge clearly has value), or is it that they see something you don't, which then explains why they are willing to pay you for that "useless" work?

Yes but the only known tried alternative, communism didn't work out very well.
The Nordic model, while not totally free of problems, seems to be doing quite well, as does other models of, say, healthcare under systems which are less profit motivated.
That's really an oversimplification. There are orthogonal spectrums that any culture exists on --it's a lot more nuanced than a communism capitalism dichotomy.
Yeah, forget it. Above comment was more of a fart.
Henry Ford's "Faster Horse" story is a great one, but it isn't true.

I guess it's better than saying "Sometimes people don't know what they want".

https://hbr.org/2011/08/henry-ford-never-said-the-fast

> Money at best buys you peace of mind

money is the #1 stress factor in relationships and also just in general. having enough money goes a long way to eliminating whole classes of stress, mood, and other mental health problems. you don't have to be rich to be happy, but generally you do need to have enough money to live a satisfying life that you're not constantly struggling against.

People who can improve their income in a way that doesn't cause them stress, mood, mental and physical health problems are part of a well-insulated minority.
Yah, I'm just gonna go to my boss and say "more monies plz" or I'm going to go scour the market and try to trade up. I suppose if I just look at the number and ignore everything else the latter might be doable...but I do want a personal fit and some kind of stability. I suppose if I'm willing to pack my bags and start over every year or so I can keep this going and mitigate the effect of working places I hate for the sake of a big number.

Oh yah, and I have no high profile github stuff, nor am I a whiteboard wizard. I guess I should just "git gud" though, which I'm sure is a negligible stress investment with a guaranteed pay off?

/s Truly, I'm not allergic to the subject, but the cavalier attitude kills me sometimes. So much "What's the problem, peasants?"

FWIW, you don't need to be nearly as "gud" as you think you do; when you're a hot commodity in a market like we have for what we do. Though I commend your desire to stay somewhere stable.

Eventually, you get to a point where you're comfortable, and $10k begins to equate to more time off, less after-hours calls, etc. (and be worth more)

I think the vast majority of people's mood, stress and physical health would improve if they had more money.
I think there's more at play here. I often find myself struggling because of this even though I'm not out of money. It's more a chaotic ever changing social context that creates uncertainty that money seems to ease virtually.
Pardon the joke, but just make more money so you can buy temporary wives.

When I said peace of mind, I meant having to avoid with stressful relationship. I wasn't thinking about intimate ones of course but it's not entirely different.