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by 0xffff2 2620 days ago
Is reduced fraud even creating meaningful savings? The simple fact that these changes are driven by government regulation rather than internal efforts makes me think not. I think the main benefit to consumers is that they don't have to deal with identity theft as often.
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In this case, government regulation makes SCA required; but in Europe most banks already practiced SCA. For free.

Here payment card fees are also far far lower because we don't have a credit card mentality of always seeking that tiny percent cashback, so these are much rarer in Europe. We also have banks themselves competing with Visa and MasterCard, for example in Belgium with bancontact. The banks offer merchants even lower fees for these.

So yes in some worlds the fees are passed down to the consumers. In other worlds, you have the United States.

What's interesting to me is that, in my experience, it seems that SCA not being used is more of a merchant than a bank problem. My previous bank (NatWest in UK) and my current bank (Nordea in SE) both support it, but a lot of merchants, especially UK ones, don't bother, which undermines the system.
Here in Finland essentially all local web merchants have used Verified By Visa and Mastercard SecureCode for at least 10 years now (authentication via bank credentials that use one-time codes or nowadays other 2-factor methods).

But I don't think I've ever seen them used on foreign stores.

Also: Local merchants here tend to use local payment service providers instead of Stripe etc. as the merchants need support for local payment methods, like "bank buttons" which have traditionally been the most common payment method (and much cheaper to merchant than cards).

The article mentions "“There was a 25 percent drop in sales overnight when the changes came into effect in India,” he said in an interview. “So we think SCA is a huge deal.".

I highly doubt that 25% is anywhere close to the long-term impact, but any fraud detection that increases friction decreases the number of impulse purchases. If it's not clear that reduced fraud creates a bigger benefit than lost purchases the industry won't implement it. Add the sometimes weird incentives (chargeback fees etc) and something that's beneficial to the consumer might never be implemented willingly by payment providers.

If the friction from better fraud detection reduces impulse purchases it might be detrimental

because it was very unreliable in India. In Europe it works really well.
Every chargeback from a fraudulent transaction costs ~$25 to businesses.
For middlemen it can cost significantly more, as they often have to pay the businesses for the service anyway (e.g. food delivery)
I read "industry" as the "payment processing industry" not merchants.