| >You are using a stack which is not immutable. Yes, but that's beside the point. I said "style", not "paradigm". The basic structure, not the totality of the thing. I don't know what CS researchers would think of this distinction, but it seems convenient to have in practice. You can use a functional style in Javascript without insisting on pure immutability throughout your entire project, and there are advantages to being able to do so. There are also advantages to being able to use a concatenative style, which is why the pipeline operator was proposed. It would be possible to rewrite that code to use an immutable stack, but for the purpose of illustration - specifically, illustrating that there isn't currently a good way to write in a concatenative style in Javascript - I don't think it's necessary. You can use the style without the paradigm. (Besides, the reference implementation of Joy mutates the underlying stack variable, and if the way to get a concatenative paradigm in standards-compliant, runs-in-a-browser Javascript is to Greenspun's Tenth Law a concatenative language...) The better option would've been not to use a stack at all, and illustrate it with integers, as you've done here. But you'd still need some way to manage multiple variables to use a concatenative idiom to compute 2x^y. >Also your examples literally defeat the purpose of functional and concatenative programming. It makes the code worse. Right. You can follow the rules of the paradigm in Javascript, once you've written enough of an interpreter for a concatenative language to let you do so, but it'll make your code worse. But there are languages that are designed for the paradigm - and in them, you can write good code that follows the rules of it. >Javascript has been giving bootcampers completely wrong ideas about functional programming and what it is. Learn a real functional programming lang to actually get it. Haskell is a good one. Not a bootcamper - even worse, I work in a warehouse - but I might quit and become one once my stock options vest... |
CS researchers would say you don't know what you're talking about. Your "style" actually made things worse. You can follow the paradigm IN javascript and make your code more concise and better. Your points are true about writing an interpreter but they are not applicable in the javascript case and most cases as well. The CS term you are looking for is "Sugar". There is no sugar in javascript for compose thus it it slightly more awkward to do functional or concatenative programming in javascript than say haskell.
The pipeline operator is sugar for something that is close to compose... However it is still very convenient to simply define a compose function even without sugar for concatenative programming in javascript.
>You can use a functional style in Javascript without insisting on pure immutability throughout your entire project
Functional programming IS immutable programming the two are one and the same. Where it gets a little iffy is "pure" functional programming and "impure" functional programming. That's usually just referring to IO. Again, you don't know what you're talking about.
When you use the map or reduce you are not doing functional programming as a paradigm nor as a style. You're simply using a function. Map exists in functional programming as a higher order function, it also exists in procedural programming as a higher order function because Map can be implemented with a for loop which is a procedural primitive.
>The better option would've been not to use a stack at all, and illustrate it with integers, as you've done here. But you'd still need some way to manage multiple variables to use a concatenative idiom to compute 2x^y.
A stack isn't even relevant. You did nothing by introducing it except introducing how to do things in a more complicated way.
Dual parameters are handled in lambda calculus through currying. It's even easier in javascript as javascript supports recursion. Again you don't know what you are talking about.
See? Concatenative programming in javascript. And it's not less convenient.Haskell is the idiomatic language for typed functional/concatenative programming. This is what it looks like:
which is essentially the same thing just with more "sugar" but you can see that it's not a huge step up from javascript.> It would be possible to rewrite that code to use an immutable stack, but for the purpose of illustration - specifically, illustrating that there isn't currently a good way to write in a concatenative style in Javascript
There is a good way, like I just showed you above. It's not that far from haskell which is THE definitive language for these styles of programming.
I'm not even an advocate for javascript. (TBH I ate the language). So you can see here that what I'm saying is unbiased.
>Not a bootcamper - even worse, I work in a warehouse
Don't worry it's not worse. It's the same. Bootcamps literally teach you everything you can get off the internet in a very superficial way. Anyone can learn javascript bootcamp or not. Get better and get off javascript.