[black-tea]

If I can't do a "modern development task" with emacs or vim and a smattering of standard Unix tools, then I question the sanity of said task. At the end of the day we're editing text. Plain text has stood the test of time exactly because you can process it with tools that everyone knows and have been around for decades. If you find yourself needing special purpose, proprietary tools to handle your code base then you should really reconsider where you're going.

[hibbelig]

Sane or not, it pays the bills...

It really does help to get a reminder from the IDE regarding which methods exist and what their parameter lists are. For C, ctags works well enough I guess and we can complete function names that way. But for Java and C#, I can't imagine that going well.

[scarface74]

Real coders boot up their computers and type

  CALL -151
  !

And type 65C02 assembly.

Now get off my lawn.....

[black-tea]

Let me just remind you of what the GP post said:

> Beyond a certain level of codebase complexity, there is simply no way to do the job with a text editor

An absurd claim. How can you interpret my post as a "get off my lawn" type thing?

[scarface74]

Well because it is. With a large codebase, things like navigating through a solution, automated code refactorings, intellisense, etc. can be done with IDEs. Do you all so litter your code with print statements to debug?

[black-tea]

Are you just playing ignorant for fun? You must know that there are people out there hacking on the most advanced software projects we have such as the linux kernel or C compilers etc. and they don't all use IDEs.

[scarface74]

And what percentage of developers is that? That’s about like the same bubble thinking of every developer works on the west coast making $300K a year that you see on HN.

And some people also still write in assembly. I also thought that any high level language was useless. Then I thought anything more high level than C was for beginners.

But I grew up and start being more concerned with making money and implementing solutions than having geek cred...

[black-tea]

Good for you, man. I hope the money continues to bring you happiness.