[leesec]

Once again I gotta say the negativity is astounding. People are so stoked to be rooting for this American tech company to fail. I really don't get it.

The main gripe I see is that Tesla misses deadlines or makes promises they cannot fulfill. Is this not super common in nearly every industry? Have none of you missed deadlines?

I remember this article[1]from last year stating GM would release fully autonomous cars with no steering wheel in 2019! Yet clearly that is not going to happen and I never heard any backlash, but I guess it's not cool to hate GM.

I also am astounded to see people constantly saying Autonomy is a decade+ away. They already have cars driving people 95% of their miles, which would've seemed impossible 6 years ago, and yet here we are, and the last 5% is going to take a decade? How many times are people going to doubt Elon before they realize they're betting against someone whose done the impossible many times over.

[1]: https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/12/16880978/gm-autonomous-ca...

[humantiy]

>Once again I gotta say the negativity is astounding.

How do you figure what they did should be something that is considered a positive? They are raising the price of the base car that was supposed to be for the masses. Now granted to a degree it was a bait and switch anyway given that most people interested in the car want the bells and whistles that they don't get on the base model anyway. Raising the base price to me seems to be something that should be considered a negative no matter the auto maker.

>astounded to see people constantly saying Autonomy is a decade+ away.

Because in all likelihood it is. What they've done in the last 6 years is impressive but wasn't impossible. Even if 95% of their miles can be done autonomously the other 5% is not to be snuffed at as being just as easy. I look at it as 80/20. They've done the 'easy' 80% of it, but the problem is now you're stuck with all the difficult next steps (ie one off situations, roads with no markers, construction, user driving mistakes, ect) as well as the potentials for legal liabilities if they go fully autonomous.

[nemo1618]

>They already have cars driving people 95% of their miles, which would've seemed impossible 6 years ago, and yet here we are, and the last 5% is going to take a decade?

"The first 90 percent of the code accounts for the first 90 percent of the development time. The remaining 10 percent of the code accounts for the other 90 percent of the development time."

[dwighttk]

>They already have cars driving people 95% of their miles

I'm skeptical. I'd be surprised if more than 40% of my miles were freeway.

Call me when we have fully autonomous trains and then I'll start thinking about losing my skepticism about autonomous cars.

[leesec]

>I'm skeptical. I'd be surprised if more than 40% of my miles were freeway.

I didn't mean this was the average but I probably should have said commutes. My commute is nearly all highway and I basically don't touch the car from on-ramp to exit-ramp.

>Call me when we have fully autonomous trains and then I'll start thinking about losing my skepticism about autonomous cars.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_automated_urban_metro_...

[dwighttk]

I was thinking more freight trains, and I forgot this article was about a success:

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/12/mining-company-says-fir...

It did take 10 years to build and cost 1.3 Billion dollars. And it is still being remotely monitored.

[wil421]

People don’t want them to fail. Some are frustrated by the overpromises and Self Driving vaporware Elon has been pushing for years. I’d be fine with Tesla saying they will be the best electric car company in the world with best in class Driver Assist but I guess that’s what CEOs do.

I plan to buy a Tesla in 2-3 years I just hope they can get their pricing and production streamlined before I do otherwise I’ll buy something German.

[dv_dt]

A German maker was the only one to strongly fail some preliminary, but much simpler automatic emergency braking tests by the IIHS.

https://www.autoblog.com/2019/02/21/iihs-says-these-small-su...

[minikites]

>I really don't get it.

Tesla has over-promised and under-delivered for years while maintaining a tremendous amount of hubris throughout.

[leesec]

So people want the whole company to go bankrupt and for 50k people to lose their jobs and we have no one leading the charge towards electric vehicles?

The Internet is a weird and ridiculous place.

[humantiy]

> So people want the whole company to go bankrupt and for 50k people to lose their jobs and we have no one leading the charge towards electric vehicles?

Some people wanted that for the big 3 auto makers too when they were looking to be bailed out. I'd say very few people fall into that category, but I think more so people are fed up with being over sold on Tesla. Personally I'd be more concerned if there wasn't people being critical of these companies.

[village-idiot]

You’re making up the motivations of other people. This is a very bad habit to get into.

[kreetx]

Regarding the negativity towards Tesla: IIRC the specific author, Edward Niedermeyer, has had this same type of tone before (which is why I remember). So I'd say this is not representative of some general attitude, but of this particular guy.

[leesec]

Ahh, I actually understand the hit pieces. There is a lot of money to be made on Shorts if Tesla fails. I just don't understand the community of people who some how make being anti-Tesla a part of their identity.

[mhermher]

GM didn't take any money for those cars did they? FSD is scammy vaporware, and they are selling it now. Tesla is a dishonest company run by a narcissist.

[madengr]

Spending 90% of the money or time, on the last 10% of performance, is common in my experience. The ratio may be not that extreme, but that’s the crux of it.