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by briatx 2620 days ago
Or you could skip a step and just use a regular credit card with cash rewards and receive 1-2% of transaction amounts cash back.

I'm not sure why people want to make it harder (and more expensive) than necessary.

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But then you're missing the whole point - storing your money in a deflationary currency.

I moved 95% of my savings into cryptocurrencies years ago, and it's been orders of magnitude better than the silly 1-2%.

And some people moved their savings into cryptocurrencies half a year ago and it's been orders of magnitude worse than the silly 1-2%.

Kind of like advising putting your savings in naked options plays because it worked for you that one time.

The difference is, inflationary currency is guaranteed to lose value over long term. One-year fluctuations are not very important to me, this is short-term thinking.

That's why even now I buy as much cryptocurrency as I can.

> The difference is, inflationary currency is guaranteed to lose value over long term. One-year fluctuations are not very important to me, this is short-term thinking.

The whole point of currency is short-term; it's the virtual particle of the economy intended to lubricate the flow of useful goods without incentivizing hoarding of itself over investment in productive assets.

> The whole point of currency is short-term

Not if you're saving for retirement or your kid's college fund.

We never had any deflationary currencies till recently. Now we have a choice.

If you want to quickly spend your money, go right ahead, nobody is stopping you.

I prefer to spend for what I need, and save the rest, and it's been working great so far. That's what most financial advisers advise anyway - live within your means, and create a financial cushion.

> > The whole point of currency is short-term

> Not if you're saving for retirement or your kid's college fund.

No, even there: it's to be the short-term stable thing you trade other stuff (for most people, labor) for and then use to buy the productive asset you invest for those purpose. It's an important part of the process, just not the final vehicle.

It is very much not for direct use as the final vehicle for those purposes itself, because the attributes which make something good as a long-term investment are very different than those that make it good as currency. (Savings accounts, which still are only good for fairly short-term reserves and not the purposes you lay out, aren't the same as raw currency.)

>One-year fluctuations are not very important to me, this is short-term thinking.

Very easy to say this when 6 month fluctuations haven't wiped out your savings.

People with this same thinking got in 6 months ago and have lost more than 50% of their savings.

When this happens during a recession it's everyone, the government is working to fix it, the world literally grinds to a halt and tries to dig out of it.

When this happens in BTC it's a "yearly occurrence" and "don't worry just HODL".

> People with this same thinking got in 6 months ago and have lost more than 50% of their savings.

Well, nobody guarantees growth, especially short term.

But 50% loss after a 1000% growth is still better for many people experiencing hyperinflation. Bolivar lost more than 90% of its value in the last 6 months [1].

And hey, if you prefer dollars or euros, all the power to you, use them. But I won't, cause I know it's designed to lose value.

[1]: https://i2.wp.com/cdn.investinblockchain.com/wp-content/uplo...

>Well, nobody guarantees growth, especially short term.

But you're focused on long term remember? Long term, the government is the closest anyone can come to guaranteeing growth. If the government can't grow the economy long term, way more is going wrong than just currency, soon enough it won't matter if your money is in beanie babies or BTC, there's going to be a lot of gnashing of teeth.

>But 50% loss after a 1000% growth is still better for many people experiencing hyperinflation. Bolivar lost more than 90% of its value in the last 6 months [1].

Perfect example, who cares if you have all the BTC in the world if you're in a country where there's not even food to buy? So you figured it out and hoarded BTC, did the shopkeeper? Let's even say they did, well did the power company take BTC? Did the power company's stakeholders and employees take BTC? Did those people's bill collectors take BTC?

Because if not, you don't have food, and that's that.

Long term growth of the economy is literally one of the things countries are built on, if it doesn't happen and hyperinflation takes a hold and the currency is down 90% in 6 months, having 10 years of BTC saved up is going to do much.

The people who were rich enough to have a sizable horde of Bolivar could easily transfer it out of the country at the start of hyperinflation, everyone else is SOL. Same with BTC, if you have enough to leave you leave, if you didn't have enough to leave maybe you're even worse off when the power goes out and the mobile networks start flaking and you don't even have loose leaf which could maybe be traded in one day for a valuable currency.

Inflationary currency is designed to "lose value" as the entire country "gains value", hard to call it "losing money" at that point.

* Bitcoin is not yet deflationary as new coins are still minted for reward blocks.

* Bitcoin is not guaranteed to go up and has so much volatility that you are essentially gambling.

* Bitcoin is inferior as a payment system, even when they use debit cards to interface with mainstream PoS.

* Bitcoin has probably topped out and we are nearing the end of it's hype cycle.

I didn't even mention Bitcoin. You're fighting a straw man.
As opposed to the silly 75% decrease in Bitcoin from December 2017. So deflationary.
You're confusing value fluctuations with monetary deflation.
I personally have not been able to use a credit card on coinbase for a while now

seemingly this is a US thing [1]

[1]https://support.coinbase.com/customer/en/portal/topics/79653...

Sure if they are available in your country, in my case they are not, so I don't have any experience with those.