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by kzcqt 2622 days ago
Matrix is what happened when somebody looked at XMPP and yelled "NIH".
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Matrix is what happened when somebody looked at XMPP and yelled "wow, this aged poorly and has some major usability issues".
And instead of fixing the issues they just went to do a completely new and incompatible thing. That's the very definition of NIH
Especially that, after some period of stagnation, XMPP is doing pretty fine these days with stepping into the modern world.
Ehh... not really. I still can't find a good combination of server, desktop client and iOS client that support things like OMEMO, history sharing between clients, and voice/video chat. And the one iOS client (ChatSecure) looks really dodgy and regularly fails while setting up push notifications.
I think there are something like 3 iOS clients that support OMEMO now:

* https://omemo.top/

* https://monal.im/

* https://zom.im/

And instead of adding those features to existing clients, let's create a brand new protocol, server, desktop client and mobile client. Because why not?
maybe because, among many other reasons, it takes so much f time for something to change in the XMPP world, because you have to wait for the XSF to validate any change, then all the server devs to implement it, then all the client devs to implement it, then all the sysadmin to update their (very often very old version of) XMPP server, then for the users to update their clients (which, with Android fragmentation for example, is a PITA) ?
That's not really true, there are significant architectural differences that made sense as a new protocol. (The biggest being that "replicated conversation database for realtime conversations" instead of a point-to-point message sending/routing thing) - Arathorn explained it well in a comment last month https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19419832

and the animation at the bottom of the matrix.org homepage was quite helpful for me

More they looked at IRC/Slack, isn't it? I suppose you could compare it with XMPP group chat which has recently gotten end to end encrypted.