[umvi]

Vim is like Dvorak. The cognitive burden for remembering which key maps to what is high unless you use it 24/7.

[griffinheart]

Your problem with Vim is that you don't grok vi. [0]

I agree with you that if you don't use a specialist tool 24/7 you'll be slow, but that is expected vi optimizes for expert users not for novice users.

In the same way that if I don't use Photoshop and then just want to do something simple in it, it's going to take me a lot of time and am probably going to forget how to do it because I don't use it enough.

0 - https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1218390/what-is-your-mos...

[civility]

I have a friend who used to use Vi(m) with his Dvorak keyboard at home, and Emacs with his qwerty keyboard at work. He considered it an exercise for keeping his brain sharp. I don't think he still does it, but maybe.

Vim on Dvorak is insane, imho.

[rohansingh]

Why do you feel that Vim on Dvorak is insane?

[civility]

Motion in Vi is based on treating the home row of the keyboard as arrow keys. H, J, K, and L are left, down, up, and right. They aren't mnemonics, and so scrambling them around (Dvorak) is just doubly confusing.

[rohansingh]

Oh, huh, never considered that a real issue. I've used Vim on Dvorak for years, and use hljk for motion.

It's nice that jk are adjacent on Dvorak, and hl are conveniently placed as well.

[beatgammit]

Can confirm, I use Dvorak and vim without issues. I find myself not using hjkl very often though, since I can usually use another movement to get where I want to go, so it's really not an issue.

[joevandyk]

Using it 3/2 is probably enough...

[base698]

It's actually not that hard:

The formula: number(Optional) action movement

Examples:

2 dl - delete two characters right

dw - delete a word

yb - copy back a word

y/foo - copy to the search foo

4cw - change the next four words

actions: yank(copy, delete, change)

movements: /(search), t(til character), f(to character), many many others (l, h, j, k, *, #, T, F)

Combine as you see fit.

[nitemice]

`action [number] movement` also works, and makes more sense to my brain.

[anotherevan]

Does anyone use Vim on a Dvorak keyboard?

[rgoulter]

I used dvorak for a bit. I didn't remap HJKL, since JK were still beside each other, and H was to the left of L (albeit, not on the same row).

In terms of transferring Vim 'motor memory' from a qwerty layout to a dvorak layout, IMO it meant focussing more on an added indirection of "which letters" rather than "which fingers where".

[civility]

Funny you ask. While you were writing, I posted about a friend of mine who did that in a sibling message.

[phlyingpenguin]

Yeah. It's really not too bad. It's certainly a little bit better if you take the ~4-10 lines to reconfigure a couple of keys. I map dhtn to hjkl and move d to j, n to l. It's pretty natural after that.

[beatgammit]

I do, and it works well. I tend to use movements other than hjkl for moving around, so that doesn't bother me too much. I don't remap anything, and my config is pretty bare.

[bjoli]

I did for a long time and I found the switch to be painless. I then replaced most of my daily used software with Emacs.

[geowwy]

I use vim with colemak.

[dilyevsky]

I use it 4-8/5. Works out OK

[butterisgood]

Just use it a perfect 5/7