[Avamander]

Don't worry. Soon Chrome will also implement DoH and ESNI, then you actually have to either forbid BYOD or actually start teaching students manners, how browsing porn is not okay in school context. I'm really quite annoyed by the connotation that kids should rather be helicopter-parented (by tech or by people) than actually taught what's okay and what's not.

The very least the new tech provides is that any silent helicopter parenting is becoming more visible and I'm grateful for that. Kids deserve internet privacy just as much as real-life privacy.

[AlexandrB]

> Soon Chrome will also implement DoH and ESNI, then you actually have to either forbid BYOD or actually start teaching students manners...

If you think that this is how it will go, you're very naive. If schools and parents can't block porn anymore, prepare for more legislation that blocks porn by default at the ISP unless you pay some kind of fee - like what the UK has proposed. Also look for a return of "content standards" for sites that want to be kept off the "porn list", like the old broadcast TV content standards.

[Avamander]

Thankfully I don't live in the USA where asinine things like that would work. Pretty sure there isn't a single school here try and enforce a web filter other than "Let's agree not to visit pages that are not allowed [OK]". I'm hope I'm not naive, maybe just not super-accustomed to the "tHinK oF tHE ChiLDRen"-narrative for pushing filters (or other things) trough.

[acct1771]

Maybe they're not from the West, and are just ignorant of how ignorant we are, not naïve.

[Spivak]

> prepare for more legislation that blocks porn by default at the ISP

See you're missing something. If you as the local network operator can't block porn than neither can any intermediate ISP. It's not like they have any more power than you do.

[asark]

I definitely don't want my six year old to be able to use their school-provided, Internet-connected iPad any way they please, with plenty of privacy.

And yeah the actual solution is "don't fucking give a six year old an Internet-connected device of any sort, obviously, you idiots" but they do, so monitoring and blocking are absolutely necessary.

[Avamander]

The original commenter talked about BYOD though, maybe school-given devices are set-up so that they don't let kids do whatever they want.

In the case of BYOD, if you're not okay with your kid having an Internet-connected device and that they're going to use it responsibly then don't give him/her one or only allow it under parental supervision. If we're carefully watching and teaching kids kids when they're handling knives or matches, why not do so with internet connected devices?

[michaelt]

If your child is supervised on the internet and doesn't have a tablet, and mine isn't and does, and my child showed your child stuff you disapproved of while in school, would you complain to the school?

Because some parents would.

[zaarn]

Then your child could simply download the content at home and show it at school without internet connection.

Parent would still complain.

The solution isn't to play helicopter-parent because other parents might helicopter even more.

[Avamander]

> Because some parents would.

Some parents complain about sex ed and vaccination, satisfying the lowest common denominator doesn't really work.

If some kid showed actually NSF-School images, such as nudity, to other kids and it was a first time offense a warning should suffice. If it's a repeated offense then maybe the kid needs psychological help.

Just as a hypothetical scenario, there's the possibility that a kid shows others a picture of for example Michelangelo's David (or similar art piece), do you think that kid should be punished for showing nudity to other kids?

[EvanAnderson]

It's not "manners" that's the problem. It's liability (and not just for students-- think "hostile work environment" issues).