[stirfrykitty]

We already have posix_spawn. I guess MS isn't aware of this.

Methinks MS need to focus on their own issues and leave the nix world alone. While many people find their involvement in FOSS welcome, I do not and never have. They are still a for-profit company beholden to shareholders.

The purchase by MS of GitHub may, again, be welcomed by many, but I find it disastrous. I smell triple E here no matter what anyone says. This is why distros like Debian and Slackware are still so important. All nix needs to do is start adopting MS ideas and then it's a matter of time before distros adopt disastrous code like systemd. MS does want to control everything around them like every other for-profit company. I cannot see this any other way. They are involved for their own good, for things like Azure and their own "cloud". MS needs to focus on their own garden and not that of *nix. I always have and always will prefer the "us and them" mentality when dealing with MS. Don't forget EEE. It's still a reality should you care to look hard enough.

[naasking]

Talk about uncharitable. MS Research produces world-class research. They don't just research Windows, they do research in all operating systems, programming languages and more.

[stirfrykitty]

It's not about being "uncharitable". It's about protecting nix from being controlled by outside forces. MS does, indeed. have world-class research, but they are sticking their heads in the nix camp, which some of us don't like. We're not all in this together, despite what some will tell you.

Sadly, UNIX (umbrella term here) is not what it was a few years ago. I dearly miss Solaris, for example. Nothing touched it in it's day, not even AIX or HP-UX. I was a UNIX admin for 10 years. I've used them all. Nothing MS can produce will ever be better than pure UNIX. There is a reason it's still being made. FreeBSD can outperform anything MS has on offer. Hell, they borrowed networking code because they couldn't come up with better.

Not all of us see us all under the same tent. I surely don't and never will. It's us and them. To say otherwise would indicate we on all on a level playing field and we're all working together to a common good. We're not. Good research aside, I don't like their history, stewardship, or about anything else they do. Agenda...

[naasking]

Microsoft Research is not Microsoft. Microsoft Research employs some of the main Haskell developers, and you don't see Haskellers going all conspiracy theory. Research is research, and either the ideas they describe are good and should be adopted, or they're bad and should be ignored.

[stirfrykitty]

This may be true, but I don't want MS having ANY say on what goes into a Linux or FreeBSD OS. None. They have an agenda that doesn't fit in well with FOSS. May no mistake about it, driving everything so that it works with Azure/VS, whatever, is about staying relevant in a world that is largely leaving them behind. Short of having to write PS at work (required), I haven't run anything MS at home since 1998 and have no need to do so. EEE is alive and well. Ask why they want *nix compatibility so bad. To extend their hegemony into everything. There is nothing MS offers that I need. Nothing. I'm about to set up a shop for some people that is completely and utterly MS free. Cost will be only the HW. No software license costs. Freedom to do whatever. No stupid, arbitrary concurrent connection limits. FOSS all the way.

[naasking]

> This may be true, but I don't want MS having ANY say on what goes into a Linux or FreeBSD OS. None. They have an agenda that doesn't fit in well with FOSS.

False. MS is now one of the leading FOSS contributors. You're living in the past.

[stirfrykitty]

My living in the past is YOUR opinion. There are many millions of FOSS users who are highly opposed to MS having any influence whatsoever on FOSS. They have an agenda and it's never in the best interest of the FOSS crowd. Do you think they are doing what they do out of benevolence? It's done for MS software compatibility with FOSS, so users will choose Azure and their other cloud offerings. It's done purely to keep them in the game and relevant. No other reason. I heavily distrust MS, as over the years they have given many reasons not to trust them. Ever wonder why so many people abandoned GitHub after MS bought them?

[HappyJoy]

The paper mentions posix_spawn... so I guess they are aware