[Drakim]

I'm actually not sure I agree. I have the nagging feeling that China spying on me is most likely to have zero consequences for my daily life, while the US spying on me can get me on a no-fly list or something.

[azinman2]

Well when they copy and outcompete all your industries, then I think you’d notice some consequences.

[lexs]

The US has been caught doing industrial espionage as well, more of a pest or cholera situation here.

[ineedasername]

False equivalency. The US has not been caught on the scale of China and its forced tech transfer policies. US may have some limited targeted activity, but they aren't wholesale strip mining industry IP.

[azinman2]

The US is not regularly directing its hackers to break into the worlds companies to steal all their IP and then put it into play across all industries. The amount of blatant copying is insane... just head to any market in Asia to see the abundant fakes that flood the markets. There is no comparison.

[elamje]

Source?

[lexs]

Snowden [0] made very broad allegations against the NSA in that regard.

[0] https://www.bbc.com/news/25907502

[aurailious]

This is an amazing case of whataboutism.

[scruple]

Every single time China appears on HN these days, it seems that it's nearly impossible to make headway in the threads because of the whataboutism that inevitably crops up. I was recently told that it's not _actually_ whataboutism, it's $SOMETHING_ELSE.