[BigJono]

Can we stop grouping React, Redux and Sagas when discussing complexity/bloat? They all have totally different complexity profiles. For example React adds tons of software complexity but very little development complexity, whereas Redux is the polar opposite. And Saga is just a clusterfuck. I don't even understand how people can use it with a straight face.

[braindouche]

Ok, but only if we can also stop saying React and Vue in the same breath. React is the spearhead of a galaxy of the biggest, heaviest, enterprisiest solutions in it's class, and it has it's place, but Vue is at it's best in lighter applications. You can do quite robust SPA development with Vue, but I'd argue it's even better when it's sprinkled lightly into a project, as a drop-in replacement for the ajaxing and updating we used to use jQuery for.