[mr-ron]

The latest Mac design forced me to move to Windows again (thank you WSL) and I put the bad keyboard on 3 points:

- touchbar. Enough has been said about this so I will just say it's worthless

- bad keyboard. Butterfly keys are too problematic and as they fail you end up having to type harder so it registers. From there it's a slippery slope to a broken keyboard

- Overly huge trackpad. I don't see this get mentioned much but these things are massive on the keyboard. Takes up so much real estate so if you are typing on it you have to contort your hands and wrists so you don't accidentally brush it.

Does anyone really use the full size of that thing? Do people really find gestures to be all that important that you need as big a touchpad as this?

Currently developing on an X1 gen 6 and couldn't be happier

[twiceaday]

I have never had issues with accidentally brushing the trackpad because the palm detection is great. A large trackpad is a selling feature of the laptop.

[mr-ron]

I get that its a selling point, but is a large trackbar better? Are you really using the whole pad for your actions?

Legitimately I just tested moving around the screen. I am not using more than 3in x 2in at a time.

[twiceaday]

Trackpad cursor is not 1:1 it moves farther the faster you move your finger. On default speed setting slowly moving the cursor from bottom left to top right of the screen uses up nearly the entire trackpad. In any case the point is that a big pad is not a downside because of detection, so for me it makes sense that it would be as big as there is enough space for.

[eridius]

Given how good palm detection is, does it matter? A large trackpad means more room for 4-finger gestures and less accidental triggering of the two-finger swipe-from-right-edge gesture.

[CountSessine]

I’ve had problems with the palm detection while typing. It’s great but it’s not perfect. I’d just rather have a trackpad like the previous gen. I wish they still sold it.

[mehrdada]

There's a used market you know.

[bluedino]

Don't forget about swiping and other gestures.

Moving back to a 2015 or earlier MacBook Pro, the trackpad actually feels 'small'

[happytoexplain]

Anecdotally, I get accidental input from my palm at least once for every full day of work.

[wodenokoto]

I completely disagree on point 2 and 3:

The trackpad is by far the biggest sell of the macbook series. If PCs came with just as well working trackpads, I would consider switching.

The keyboard is wonderful to use when it works. Mine hasn't failed, but it is a fear I have, and a fear I shouldn't have. But a working butterfly keyboard is a great keyboard.

> Does anyone really use the full size of that thing?

Yes, all the time.

> Do people really find gestures to be all that important that you need as big a touchpad as this?

You obviously don't need it. It is better than a smaller touchpad.