[gmueckl]

So how would a file manager work then? I have used several file managers over the years that allowed me to conveniently manage files locally and remotely. E.g. extract the downloaded zip file locally, edit ome of them, copy these 20 selected extracted files via SCP and delete these three folders.

Granted, I only do that on a phome in a pinch but having these features saved me more than once. I dom't want Android to become as restrictive and underpowered as iOS feels to me.

[icebraining]

The Framework lets you ask for access to a whole directory, not just individual files.

[gmueckl]

How is that solving the issue? How can that result in a local and remote file manager with a consistent GUI?

[icebraining]

The file manager would ask you to pick (using the Android UI, via SAF) the directory where you had downloaded the zip, then everything would work the same.

Alternatively, the app can register itself as opener of zip files, then it could extract them freely to its own private directory (without asking for permissions) and let you list and upload them.

[gmueckl]

This is all a load of crappy workarounds leading to a convoluted and cumbersome user experience. From a usability perspective, I would not consider such a behavior a solution.

[UncleMeat]

That's because you like general purpose file managers. But most people would much rather that their calculator app didn't have access to their photos.

[Godel_unicode]

The alternative is malware having free reign over the entire filesystem. This is a real problem which is happening today. With your all-or-nothing solution the user has no ability to limit what files an app can access, which is totally unacceptable.

[gmueckl]

Apps need my permission to access external storage even today. I don't see how a convoluted UI helps here.

Although it may not be international (I think intentions are good), this change will devalue internal device storage to such an extent that people will see themselves forced to store even more data in cloud services of dubious reputation. Technically, they don't have to, but it will likely be easier for the masses.

[yjftsjthsd-h]

I've seen it as "use the file picker to select the parent folder" which works fine