[vedantroy]

I don't know whether Article 11/13 are good or bad (although at first glance they seem to be bad), but I don't think this attitude of "forcing freedom" onto others is good.

The entire attitude that I should "regain [my] freedom" seems condescending. I don't want to use a P2P alternative to YouTube or Reddit, because 99% of the content is on Reddit/YouTube.

I'm well aware that YouTube collects and sells my personal data, I just don't care.

The idea that legislation is good because it forcefully restricts my choices (indirectly, by harming YouTube), thus preventing me from harming myself seems to be a form of unneeded parenting/hand-holding/babying that I'm not a fan of.

[deltron3030]

>The idea that legislation is good because it forcefully restricts my choices (indirectly, by harming YouTube), thus preventing me from harming myself seems to be a form of unneeded parenting/hand-holding/babying that I'm not a fan of.

That's the catholic and lutheran authoritarian mindset that is deep ingrained into the minds of EU politicians and large parts of Europe itself, that's what they mean with "democracy". They don't really trust people and their individuality.

Just check the backgrounds of the politicians who voted in favor, you'll find that most have this religious background and distrust in people and are easily manipulated by others "higher up the chain", like those cultural snobs in Paris.

[drak0n1c]

Thomas Hobbes was religious but I don't think religion is still the motivator for Hobbesian Europeans.

[mcv]

> I don't want to use a P2P alternative to YouTube or Reddit, because 99% of the content is on Reddit/YouTube.

That might change once everybody gets forced off Reddit/Youtube. The best-case scenario here is suddenly starting to look like revival of the distributed, non-profit internet in Europe. If that's the case, I can live with losing Youtube.

[roel_v]

"I don't want to use a P2P alternative to YouTube or Reddit, because 99% of the content is on Reddit/YouTube."

Wouldn't the killer feature of these P2P platforms (admittedly, none of which I've ever used) be to have a 'transparent bridge' to the mainstream platforms? I.e., like SciHub, almost transparently pirate content from their original source? Do any of them have it?

[jonny_eh]

YouTube doesn't sell your data.

[fock]

no, because it's using the data themselves to make even more money out of you. When once one agency collected data, sold it to advertisers, which sold ads to companies, which bought space in papers, YT is collection-agency, ad-agency and paper all in one – which should be kind of scary for any regular user.