[cameldrv]

I don't know. That's why I say we need to come up with them. It's not easy to reconcile our values with the obvious ones. It's not easy to reconcile our values with the current criminal justice/prison system either though. My point is simply abolishing or greatly scaling back the current criminal justice/prison system without a replacement doesn't address the needs of society that the current system (poorly) serves. Without some mechanism to dissuade antisocial behavior, you get anarchy for a brief period, and then people start organizing vigilante groups, and then the vigilante group becomes the government.