[ujhmi6]

What's wrong with the numbers of recidivism? A criminal is a criminal, he can't help it; I don't know why people think that keeping them locked up could ever fix that. Probably nothing can, maybe medication.

[Tepix]

Other countries have proven that this is wrong. The US prison system does not aim for resettlement. It wants revenge. It's left with too many prisoners and abysmal conditions in prisons. Add privatization of prisons to the mix and the situation gets so much worse due to wrong incentives and corruption.

[Sholmesy]

I don't think someone is born a criminal.

If that's the case, its cultural and can be influenced.

[ujhmi6]

It might be environmental factors, I don't know, but certainly by the time someone ends up in prison it's already too late.

[brazzy]

This is very provably complete nonsene.

[hobofan]

And the 2019 price for most reductionist view of other humans goes to...

[Faaak]

I robbed things when I was young. Yet I consider myself successful now and no longer a criminal.

So yes, people change. And fuck your mindset

[izietto]

That's a very bigot reasoning. The most civilized countries in the world (Scandinavia) tend towards the opposite:

- shorter incarceration period: incarceration is useful just for frustrated masses, not for the society

- rehabilitation: if incarceration period is useful to something, that is giving people time and space to restart their lives

[ujhmi6]

Scandinavia is a bad example; that only works when you have a culturally and racially homogeneous society.

[izietto]

Still wrong; Scandinavian countries have high immigration rates: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Sweden#Current_...

[draugadrotten]

and because of those population changes, the old ways of short incarceration and rehabilitation have stopped working...

2014, NOTE - Before the Great Migration

"With prisoner numbers falling and jails closing, Swedish criminal justice works, says director-general Nils Öberg" https://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/nov/26/prison-swede...

2018, A few years AFTER the Great Migration

"Sweden's rapidly filling prisons – capacity has jumped from 85 percent to 95 percent in just four years – is a problem officials had predicted." https://www.thelocal.se/20180712/violence-on-the-rise-in-swe...

"Sweden rape: Most convicted attackers foreign-born, says TV" ... " he SVT programme revealed that in cases where the victim did not know the attacker, the proportion of foreign-born offenders was more than 80%. " https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45269764

you get the picture...

I hope this is not too sensitive to post here on HN, as I know these facts goes against many of the beliefs many of you hold. But why be afraid of facts? They may tell you something you didn't knew before.

The truth is out there.

[izietto]

To me it doesn't demonstrate that incarceration and rehabilitation don't work, it just shows that crime is correlated to misery and ignorance

[ujhmi6]

To me it demonstrates that the trick to have a crime-free society is social and racial homogeneity. Which the US doesn't have.

[lexs]

Do you really think that urban hipsters from Stockholm are culturally similar to rural Swedes? This sounds more like a dog whistle for "non-white". In any case it is a deeply racist view.