[weberc2]

Go's modules are quite a lot nicer than Java's or Python's dependency management / build tools. JavaScript only recently got its act together. Can't speak to Ruby, but Rust is the only one that got it right the first time. Dependency management is only recently a "solved problem".

> Go me, and I'm not trying to be disrespectful here, because of the shortcomings it has, Go is in the experimental/keep an eye on bucket. It does some things really, really well but it's far from the panacea most developers that use it think it is.

Go is definitely a production-ready language, and indeed it powers much of the most important software that has been written since it went 1.0 (particularly in the Cloud and DevOps spaces). It's not perfect, but it's really, really good and improving steadily.

[geodel]

> Rust is the only one that got it right the first time.

Not really the first time. They made attempts before. Dumped it along with person who created earlier solution and then developed current solution.

To their credit they identified early that an official solution is essential.

[mirceal]

> To their credit they identified early that an official solution is essential.

this made me smile.

[apta]

Not sure what you're talking about, Java's dependency management system is strictly superior.

Most important software is quite a claim as well.

[qalmakka]

It could be, but also every time I start a Gradle build I can get up and go brew some coffee, drink some and then come back to see it's still building, so it's not without its flaws.

[apta]

Ironically, I do the same with golang at my current employer. Build times are nowhere near as what's hyped. Much closer to Java, and in fact, due to Java's incremental compilation, golang is often slower.

[weberc2]

Go has incremental builds as well. I’ve been using it for years and build times are usually a couple seconds; a couple of minutes for huge projects. Are you sure that’s just build time and not some combination of downloading dependencies and/or running tests? How big is your project?

[mirceal]

nah. we’ll agree to disagree on this one. most devops cloud stuff is written in python.

you know what’s written in go? terraform. i have yet to meet someone that has actually leveraged terraform in a production setting and does not think it should be banned. what else? k8s? the favorite poster boy of our generation. solving problems you don’t have and replacing figuring out how to deploy your stuff with the anguish of keeping the cluster up and uptodate.

[apta]

I'm curious as to how much golang is even used inside Google itself, since they actually have to write maintainable code that does nontrivial stuff, and not follow the latest fads

[mirceal]

good news is that it’s buckets. bad news is that it’s C++ and Java