[coldtea]

Groovy was a random JVM-based dynamic language with no major company support and no special tooling.

Kotlin has IntelliJ (and thus a great IDE) and Google standing behind it, and Steve Yegge's nod of approval.

[pjmlp]

Not every Java shop is going to drop Eclipse and Netbeans just to make JetBrains happy.

As for Android, lets see what happens with Fuchsia.

The overwhelming majority of Java developers don't even know who Steve Yegge is.

[coldtea]

>Not every Java shop is going to drop Eclipse and Netbeans just to make JetBrains happy.

True. They will drop them because Eclipse has been faltering for ages and has been dropped by IBM, and Netbeans has always been a subpar unloved stepchild used by the kind of devs that don't know better and think SlickEdit or Notepad++ are great editors.

>The overwhelming majority of Java developers don't even know who Steve Yegge is.

That's on them.

[pjmlp]

I guess Fortune 500's have missed that memo, including IBM own subsidiaries.

Lets talk back in 5 years from now.

I am betting Kotlin would become yet another language that happens to compile to the JVM, after the Android honeymoon goes away.

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>I guess Fortune 500's have missed that memo, including IBM own subsidiaries.

They probably did. They're late for all memos. The Fortune 500 is not were you'll go to gauge adoption. Heck, half of them still have IE6 only apps.

There are hundreds of thousands of companies, and just 500, well, Fortune 500.

Apparently you use the most established and boring development-wise of companies (Fortune 500) to prove Kotlin is not used widely, but you're OK with vaporware like Fucscia that's not even beta yet as an argument that Dart and co are.

>I am betting Kotlin would become yet another language that happens to compile to the JVM

And I bet you're wrong. Let's see in 5 years. We were on HN 10 years ago, we'll probably be here then. I'll set a reminder.

[pjmlp]

Because they prove Google is struggling with internal politics where to go next.