[mg794613]

Sorry, I agree with your full statement except the last 5 words. Did you hear this from someone who knows someone or do you have the science for that? Because as far as I know, all scientific research on psilocybin conclude the same. If you have experience where someone "became weird after first use" they were probably already weird but hiding it from you.

[clydethefrog]

Mushrooms are banned in the Netherlands because too many tourists died from incidents involving the drug. I figure many of those tourists used it for the first time.

[thedaemon]

Please link your sources. I do not know of anyone dying from mushroom intake.

[clydethefrog]

>Nevertheless, medical intervention was needed for 149 incidents involving mushrooms in 2007, an increase of 19 percent over the previous year. In 2005 there were 70 incidents. Among the high-profile cases was an incident in which a Danish tourist raced his car across a crowded camping. Several tourists jumped or fell from hotel windows.

>In the case that led Ab Klink to propose the ban in October 2007, a 17-year-old French girl committed suicide by jumping from a bridge into busy traffic. It was later revealed that the girl, not old enough to legally enter a smart shop herself, had asked a friend to buy her some mushrooms.

http://www.dutchamsterdam.nl/662-mushrooms-ban-amsterdam-net...

[mg794613]

I was sort off hoping you would give those examples. The devil is in the details here. We have a long history of problem with tourist coming to Amsterdam and live like animals. Simultaneously in 2007 after a long time of having barely any seats in Amsterdam, the CDA (Christian Democrats) were looking for a reason for a stricter drug policy. Now I do agree with having more control on the abuse of the freedoms in our city, but I am convinced the ban on mushrooms has been a superficial fake solution. Yes, mushrooms are no longer being sold in the city, but now it's "truffels". The bigger problem, as was in this case with the unfortunate French girl, people come here and have absolute no control. What has been conveniently left out of this story is that the girl was already depressed and had been partying for days. Mushroom usage has been a very safe practice for millennia and some party girl and zealous political party ruined it for us.

[blastbeat]

One could argue that one has to be weird to try drugs. I know one guy for sure how went straight to psychiatry right after first time mushroom usage. I don't know whether he was beforehand that weird, but he needed a long time to recover afterwards. And he did never drugs again afaik.