[maxxxxx]

I think the main problem with people like Armstrong and Holmes is that they are widely admired by people and put forth as an example of "success" while in reality they are ruthless psychopaths who will stop at almost nothing to get their way.

[rchaud]

That is related to cultural mores as well. Do we not celebrate tech CEOs who have never made a profit?

They can become millionaires/billionaires by dint of their privately traded stockholdings, and the NYT will write a puff piece on them, but all we're doing is applauding them because they managed to convince VCs to float them cash to try doing something.

[isoskeles]

Most cyclists were doping back then, so are they all ruthless psychopaths or just the one who won?

[maxxxxx]

Everybody doped but only Armstrong went viciously with all his money and lawyers after people who claimed correctly that he was doping. He was on a different level from others.

[isoskeles]

Fair enough, I did not know this. That makes him worse than I thought.

[maxxxxx]

Read some stuff about his behavior. He was a bad dude who would do almost anything to win and keep winning.