[simias]

>particularly young CS students

>C is not the gospel

>Worshipers of Bell Labs

I think you're one or two generations late, you'd have to be a hipster to be a CS student worshiping C and Bell Labs these days. I suspect most CS students these days start around web technologies using VS Code in stock Ubuntu, not hacking C programs using Emacs running in dwm on a heavily customized Slackware.

I do agree that cat-v and the suckless folks should be taken with a massive grain of salt though.

[sitkack]

I used to be a suckless person, not official, but I had branded them _my tribe_. I still appreciate them for their simplicity target, but the means and methods for me have changed.

When I first came across the UHH, my systems exposure was AmigaDOS, DOS, Windows 95, Windows NT 4, Ultrix, FreeBSD and Linux. I had never used VMS in any meaningful way (David Cutler is a well known Unix Hater) and the idea of "Hating Unix" was off putting because it seemed so useful, and the pain inflicted I internalized as my failing for not properly understanding it. I had no idea how much of a patched together mess it was. Hell, I think if we had continued using DOS that it would have eventually gotten a scheduler, memory protection, pipes and signals and then ended up in largely the same place.

At the part of the stack that most programmers are operating now, the operating system doesn't matter much. We can take the pain points from UHH and apply them to our own lack of system design.

[saagarjha]

> I suspect most CS students these days start around web technologies using VS Code in stock Ubuntu

More likely, Visual Studio Code on macOS.

[kkarakk]

haven't the google chromebook kids hit the college market yet? wonder if they'd go for macOS at all

[saagarjha]

Anecdotally, very few people buy Chromebooks as their primary college computer. Most people, irrespective of their major, need to work with Microsoft Office, sometimes some custom publisher software, etc. and nobody seems to thing that Chrome OS is up for this task. Plus, I feel like a "college computer" is a weighty purchase for many students, and buying a $200 Chromebook doesn't really seem right for this.

For computer science, the only people who buy Chromebooks are the people who install Linux on them or have another machine to SSH into.

[pjmlp]

Worldwide ChromeOS has even less share than desktop GNU/Linux.

It is only a thing on US school system.

And now with latest changes at Google, eventually not even that.