[wolfgke]

> and much of the EU internet traffic, including to/from germany, goes through the UK.

Indeed - and many German citizens who are interested in such topics find this concerning exactly because of Five Eyes.

My comment that Germany is not part of Five Eyes

> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19399560

refers to its grandparent

> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19398858

which I requote here:

"Western governments have historically been allied with and have had intelligence sharing and cooperation arrangements with the U.S.

There is a general alignment of Western intelligence agencies as a cooperative group against the antagonism of China (and Russia, NK, etc)

It isn't just "everybody spies" - it's "we are actively engaged in an adversarial relationship together against this other group"".

[SEJeff]

bingo. The BND and NSA work very closely together even if they aren't in FVEY. This is quite well known, but it makes a lot of sense in the face of Russian/NK/Chinese aggressions. As much as our president wants you to not believe, we are stronger together.