[thedoctor79]

The facts so far are that two new aircraft of the same model have crashed in a very short period of time, in the same stage of flight and exhibiting the same problem as evidenced by ATC recordings: loss of flight control. We should not focus only on the software aspect, even though a very questionable (and dangerous in my opinion) decision was made to not communicate to the pilots the existence and operation of the software with no additional pilot training.

The software relied on input from sensors at least in the Lion Air crash and the fact is the sensors failed on new aircraft.

I would trust the NTSB as much as the European counterparts. I have read some of their reports and they are very dilligent and fair.

We should avoid placing blame now on anyone whether it is Boeing, pilots, national agencies, until the full reports are available. The grounding of the aircraft was perfectly justified with the available data from a security point of view. The air industry has been focused on avoiding a blame culture. Even I, as a passenger sometimes look for the lowest price, so the pressure for cost cutting may come from us as well.

[dubbel]

> Even I, as a passenger sometimes look for the lowest price, so the pressure for cost cutting may come from us as well.

Of course you do, and that is not your fault. This is why we have independent regulation organizations like FAA or EASA, to not have matters of security solely in the hand of the free market.

[Tsubasachan]

Reminds me of a story of a budget airliner cutting costs by buying used parts and patching them up. Now nobody had actually tried to do something so nuts/genius before so there weren't any clear cut regulations. Eventually there was an accident and the FAA started to put screws under the microscope and interrogate maintenance crew.

Thankfully the aviation industry nowadays out of self interest cares about safety.

[amyjess]

The usual way I've heard aviation regulations described is that every single regulation is written in blood.

That is, every one of these regulations exist because somebody died as a direct result of that regulation not existing.