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This has nothing to do with language vs programming. This is about your want to use loose definitions so that you can generalize non engineers behavior and combine them with engineers stereotypes so that you can blame engineers for actions of non engineers in same industry you dislike.

So you had used language to build image of autistic charismatic rule breaker. So I will add that you don't know what autism is and interacted with such person enough to know.

You still did not managed to cite a single engineer. You did not even demostrated knowledge of engineering culture beyond what is found on few cool sites frequented by ... enterpreneurs and many non engineers.

Afaik, if you claim that marketing is more orderly and more rules following and engineers, you should have used an example of typical marketing person action and typical engineer action. For some reason, you went with high management and enterpreneurs.