[kmlx]

for sure:

- closed stores

- no profit

- lied about FSD

- stock down 30%

- long-term investors exit

the tunnel is a joke. we were promised something, but as always with musk, we get something completely different. i'm giving the tunnel deal 3 to 6 months before imploding.

[belltaco]

About 4 months ago the narrative on HN was that Tesla will go bankrupt right about this time because they'd be unable to repay a loan. Read news recently that they paid it in cash.

Been seeing highly upvoted doomsday comments since many years about Tesla, like Model 3 was literally supposed to be DoA, it just feels so weird to me.

[Cthulhu_]

And those comments are understandable for a number of reasons. From an outsiders / non-economist's point of view, these things should not be possible. There's also an army of trolls hired by short sellers who would benefit from Tesla's stock losing value - at one point, Tesla was the most shorted stock out there.

[mft_]

I agree; it always makes me put my tinfoil hat on, and wonder how much of this comes from news planted either by competing car companies, or more likely the hedge funds who will profit if Tesla does fail.

[mixmastamyk]

Small nobodies are typically negative about those pushing the envelope.

[kmlx]

wow, what a hateful and crude reply. how is musk pushing the envelope? isn’t the whole industry getting there anyway, tesla be damned?

also, toyota.

[nickik]

- lowering prices for EV

- human rated space craft to ISS

- massively extend the lead in terms of EV charging networks

But yeah we should really focus on the closes show rooms, that's really whats important ...

[kmlx]

- prices for EVs are coming down irrespective of tesla

- tesla doesn’t build spacecraft. that’s spacex.

- the tesla ev charging network is expanding. but can i charge another ev at one of their stations?

all the things that i mentioned are signs that the company isn’t doing well.

[dmode]

I mean we are celebrating the next massive milestone of electrification of cars. Things like stock price and investors seems irrelevant

[kmlx]

love it or hate it, the stock price and investor sentiment is crucial to a listed company. tsla can actually go under.