[craftinator]

Common people? So, only the aristocrats get secure comms? Also, how would you enforce that? Secure encryption tech is literally just math, math that's already been invented, math that exists on EVERY personal laptop, server, and smartphone made in the last 10 years, math that is downloadable from thousands of websites, is in textbooks, can be derived from things I learned in college, comes packaged with millions of applications, etc...

[evolvedcleaning]

Intelligence officers not aristocrats although I do believe the current reality does reflect the characterization you have presented . There’s definitely a complex system of people with money power intelligence at war

The math problem is why it’s imperative to indoctrinate our best and brightest to fight for the greater good, and in regard to the power vacuum surrounding that unavoidable math reality

I also support our government going after people making secure communication devices intended to circumvent government controls, too much at stake

Sure you cannot stop evil person with textbook and initiative but you can do the best you can

related: Lack of Forfeiture mechanism is one instance of a deficiency with mainstream cryptocurrencies

[craftinator]

I've worked with a few Intel officers, military and non, and I find it hard not to label their actions and attitudes as 'aristocratic'.

Your "best and brightest" paragraph makes no sense to me, but strongly reminds me of the BS spewing out of the mouth of James Comey while he tried to convince the members of Congress that you can have a crypto system that is both secure against hackers, but has a backdoor for government surveillance, which is a mathematical impossibility. Pretty sure he said "best and brightest" as well, as if silicon valley can magic away mathematical reality.

I also think that for nearly the entire history of mankind, barring the last few decades, governments have been unable to observe a vast majority of communication of their populace. Not sure what you mean by "too much at stake"... I've never heard of a major, nonmilitary attack that could have been prevented if only we'd had a backdoor into the communications; however I have heard of many, many crimes occuring because we THOUGHT we had secure crypto.

[evolvedcleaning]

It’s conceivable to make a skeleton key system that doesn’t change the surface area of attack that much. Such a system can respect the right to privacy, while allowing for a way to police child predators.

Too bad you met some snooty NSA employees. You could report them if you think they aren’t trustworthy to do sigint.

[onlydeadheroes]

> mathematical impossibility

[evolvedcleaning]

I didn’t make that claim. Obviously there’s a small trade off that is practically irrelevant, you can optimize so that the trade off doesn’t make it practically much less secure, make up for it elsewhere

[evolvedcleaning]

Replying to onlydeadhorses post with overtones of ad hominem:

Stop assuming what I do or don’t know or can do, have done etc. Have you identified me?

The issue of making crypto “less secure” isn’t anywhere near the deal that some academics are making it out to be.

I’m just a user, not going to implement crypto. Someone else can solve such problems. Make crypto that has a secure skeleton key system that respects privacy without reducing security. “Make up for it” by making it twice as slow maybe, just an idea

You’re plainly biased against my position and ventured towards an attack. Let’s not, please.

The stuff I was reading made it clear that current skeleton key systems don’t suffer from greatly reduced security by any stretch. but still have a chain of custody system / spof issues. I’m sure something much more clever that respects privacy and solves those issues is possible

Since I’m the one out of your league, can you and your colleagues work on it

[onlydeadheroes]

No you didn't, but the person you replied to did, and you managed to overlook it then and now. Please go and design your algorithm where you "make up for it elsewhere". I don't know why you are posting about this if you don't know anything about the matter.