[fireattack]

I don't get it. As a Chinese, I can say that the absence of Google (even a highly censored version) will (and have already) only make it worse.

>Google literally building a blacklist

Every single search engine or social media in China already has that. Yes, Google likely will build one for their services if they plan to enter China. But it's not like they come up, or "actively" help with this idea.

[gopi11]

It's complicated because the real choice being made is masked.

And when an org develops a habit of pushing people out who can see the moral dimension, it increases the number of decision makers within the org that don't.

I know someone who resigned for similar Moral Reasons when we were working on a project for a foreign country. At the time, I am ashamed to say, lot of people laughed and attacked him for the reasons being "superficial".

Exec Mgmt's position was - we are doing things conforming to the "local laws". The thing was, local laws existed in name only. You could get away with whatever you wanted by bribing people or helping the wrong kind of people. And once you have managers in place who have no problem with that what do you think happens?

Fast forward 15 years and we saw massive fines and few people went to jail. This plays out constantly in companies.

[fireattack]

I agree with your point but it's not what I'm talking about.

I was trying to say that from my (together with some other Chinese people's) perspective, it is "more moral" to re-enter China because it helps Chinese people to educate themselves better by giving a significant better search service. I don't see it as a way to help our gov. to suppress us. Quite the opposite, actually.

Again, I respect our ideality or value difference. But I think I should voice my view on it.

[j16sdiz]

> ... because it helps Chinese people to educate themselves better...

This was the idea years ago when we allowed it enter WTO. We were wrong on that. Now we are debating whether we should allow China export censorship?!

[ionised]

How would Google profiting from a tightly controlled Chinese internet make it better?