[hackinthebochs]

Here's an example of an incomprehensible error related to mixing whitespace, where its not obvious its a mixed whitespace issue:

https://repl.it/repls/MotionlessLustrousScan

[JimDabell]

Are we seeing the same thing?

    IndentationError: unindent does not match any outer indentation level

The very first thing I would look at is the indentation if I got an error like that. You hardly need to "spend an hour trying to debug a nonsensical error" when you see an error like that.

[hackinthebochs]

Does "indentation error" immediately scream check for a whitespace mismatch to you? Because it doesn't to me.

[JimDabell]

"Indentation error" screams "fix the indentation", and code is indented with whitespace, so yeah.

When something tells you "indentation error", where's the first place you would look, if not the indentation? When you know you have a problem with the indentation, what do you think you have to change, if not the whitespace? There isn't a lot of opportunity to go in the wrong direction here.

Don't get me wrong, Python definitely has unexpected, difficult to debug behaviour for newbies (e.g. mutable default arguments). But this in particular isn't one of them. This is 2+2=4 level stuff.

[hackinthebochs]

This is a strange response. The only thing I can say is that "indentation issues" does not imply "mixed whitespace issues". Your responses are implicitly conflating the two.

>what do you think you have to change, if not the whitespace?

Note that the same error shows up when you have an inconsistent number of spaces to indent a block.

[JimDabell]

> > What do you think you have to change, if not the whitespace?

> Note that the same error shows up when you have an inconsistent number of spaces to indent a block.

And what would the solution to that be, if not changing the whitespace?

Every single piece of information available is strongly pointing in the same direction here.

[hackinthebochs]

I swear its like we're speaking two different languages. I really don't see the utility in further effort trying to find common ground.