[rchaud]

Thank you. The rest of these comments are involved in a circular argument about East v West, as thought these are fresh debates no one's ever had before.

China v US dick-waving doesn't change the 'facts on the ground' for average people, which is that state surveillance exists, and many people don't know just how expansive it is. That's what people should be opposing, instead of cheering on two massive bureaucracies like they're sports teams.