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Are these reports from first hand experience or can you site your sources?

In particular, I'm curious how you'll back up the "but a notable part of it was due to decreasing the number of people as well," considering USSR's population grew during the period you are describing [1].

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_Soviet_Unio...

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Partially this is from reading a book by a Soviet ex-patriot (who I'll admit might be lying) and partially from the textbooks from my early Soviet history class in college. I'd give you better references, but my books are at home and I'm not right now.

The population grew from 1926 to 1937, but not from 1930 to 1937 - which is the reason the producers of the 1937 census were sent to the gulag. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Census_(1937) And the discussion about Soviet population statistics in this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukranian_famine

I should also point out that during the 1920-1940 period the USSR did a lot of territorial expansion into the lands held by the Whites, and then later into the Baltic states and grabbing parts of Finland and Poland.

I'll admit, though, that given that we're talking about the industrialization period in general I shouldn't be talking about a decreasing population since over the whole early industrialization timeframe the population did rise even without considering conquest. I would have done better to day "but a notable part of it was due to keeping population growth down with the use of famines."

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If it's the famine in Ukraine [1] that you are talking about, absolutely. But, are you saying that it was done as part of industrialization?

My great grandfather was one of the peasants you describe (his land was taken away). Although the state use of land was inefficient, it was not the continual famine that you imply. Food shortages occurred, but, they occurred under the Tsars as well. The industrialization that occurred pre and post WWII in the USSR seems pretty undeniable though.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor