[riantogo]

Historically US and its economy has benefited tremendously from immigration. In the modern world it continues to be a big edge. Anti-immigration mindset is also anti-American mindset. How about we revoke the citizenship of folks with such mindset and make way for a prosperous nation? Maybe we could let them cut in front of the line to earn back their citizenship with hard work after catastrophic events. I’m of course just using a far fetched example to make a point.

[porpoisely]

Firstly, you are repeating propaganda you've heard in the media that simply isn't true. From the founders til today, the US has been highly anti-immigration. Secondly, population growth may have been great for the US economy, but it has also been terrible for average american workers and minorities ( especially blacks and native americans ). Thirdly, we benefited far more economically from war, conquest, slavery, genocide, expansion and resources than from immigration. Just because something is good for the economy doesn't mean it's good or moral. And just because something was good in the past doesn't mean it is good today.

Having said that, I'm actually for immigration. But H-1B isn't immigration, no more than human trafficking is immigration.

Immigrants, like Jerry Yang and Sergei Brin, can start and own businesses. Do you know what H-1B visa holders are forbidden to do? They can't start or own businesses. Interesting huh? I laugh whenever pro-H-1B visas try to lie about how H-1B visas is the reason why Yahoo and Google exists. When H-1B explicitly prevent you from starting businesses. Had Yang and Brin be H-1B visa holders rather than being actual immigrant americans, they would not have been able to create yahoo and google.

So the H-1B visa was created so that foreign workers can compete against american workers, but not against american business owners. Isn't that great for business owners?

If you are for immigration, workers rights and plain fairness, then you'd be against H-1B visas because it's purely exploitation by billionaires so that billionaires can profit.

Why not do away with H-1B visas and shift it to real immigration ( which I support ) so that they have actual rights and can start businesses themselves and create jobs?

How about a non-exploitive and fair immigration policy rather than a exploitive non-immigration visa like H-1B? How about we let these foreign workers compete against both the billionaire owners and the workers? Why protect billionaires from competition and subject stressed american workers with more competition?

[riantogo]

There are big gaps in your understanding of what H1B is (it is dual intent). Most folks on that visa go on to become greencard holders and citizens. Several of them go on to create jobs (directly or indirectly).

And it is not like H1Bs are handed out like candy. There are caps, lottery, wage requirements, 6 months of advertising etc. (sure there is abuse like with anything else which should be addressed).

Also ironic that you come to a thread discussing how things like these rip apart families (and work against women) and try to take a higher moral position.

Your stand of, "I support immigration" doesn't sound sincere because you seem to imply that if we reclassify H1B to immigration-visa you will suddenly be supportive of it.