[unknowns]

I found the guy.

If I try as hard as I possibly can and output 20% of an amazing individual. do I have no place in this world?

Listen, this is the basic level of human interaction. manners are oil for bodies at friction, and respect is a gateway to team participation.

If you cant see the value in that, then you are the problem. You can output a million times the output of your team, but if you dont have a team then you have nothing except yourself. and if you are the only reason for success.. why arent you Jeff Bezos?

"charismatic unproductive people who, despite all making each other feel good, don't actually bring any value to an organisation." -- This phrase stinks of devaluation. if you have a team that you view every member of as providing nothing of quality, then again.. you are the problem. Everyone has something to provide, on many different levels.you are failing to see that, and that is your problem.

but carry on my friend. if you are as amazing as you say, then ill read about you in the news soon.

[5trokerac3]

As someone proclaiming that "manners are oil for bodies at friction", the ridiculousness of your rudeness is only surpassed by the unbelievable strawman you just set up.

blue1379 brings up some very valid questions. If a snobbish, but highly talented employee builds toolkits/engines that double or triple the production of the average employee, does the same equation used in the study apply?

On the other hand, what constitutes a "non-toxic" employee? Does everybody's buddy who convinces half the team that 2-5pm is ping pong and beer time not disproportionately decrease productivity?

He's asking for more nuance, which is never a bad thing. You seem to be demanding that things stay binary.

[jboy55]

>If a snobbish, but highly talented employee builds toolkits/engines double or triple the production of the average employee

That person is not 'toxic' because the qualifier is that they have trained their coworkers on the frameworks they created, thus they actually get along.

I think the toxic version would be making statements like, "I spend all my time building frameworks that if my coworkers used them, would double their productivity, but they're obviously too stupid to understand. The more I hear their silly questions on how to use it, the more I realize how f'd hiring is around here that these people are 'coworkers'. So please, I give up, I'll use my frameworks and I'll be 8x more productive than them, just make them leave me alone so I can work."

[Gibbon1]

> If a snobbish, but highly talented employee builds toolkits/engines that double or triple the production of the average employee, does the same equation used in the study apply?

What if we fire Mr Snobby Pants and hire someone who's both socially and technically competent?

[unknowns]

A talented employee can be rude and disruptive to a team? but lower valued employees play beer pong.

My unbelievable straw man is looking great in your yard. Along with the many things I "seem" to say versus the things I actually say.

[5trokerac3]

I think you need to take a walk and cool down from internet conversation. If this is how you talk to your coworkers when confronted with disagreement then I don't think you're the "non-toxic" one in your office.

[jerf]

"If I try as hard as I possibly can and output 20% of an amazing individual. do I have no place in this world?"

You have a place in this world, no question.

But it may not be at the company of your choice, in the job of your choice, at the pay of your choice.

With the genes I rolled, there is no amount of work I could have done to become an NFL quarterback. C'est la vie. The NFL owes me nothing.

[unknowns]

100% agree. People dont always make the right decisions, you may be dealing with a fish out of water in a job they chose, but dont belong in. People make mistakes. We all do, thats how we learn. Excellent comment.

[tekno45]

What if they are all find slacking off together super fun and make each other feel great...but don't get any work done?

[ramblerouser]

>Everyone has something to provide, on many different levels.you are failing to see that, and that is your problem.

Totally false. Some prople are really bad at their jobs and gang up with other unproductive people to rag on those who are carrying the team. If you cant see that, you are probably insecure and rationalizing your hostility to people who are better and make you look bad in comparison.

[unknowns]

Hold up.. there are "gangs" of bad employees who team up together just rag on those carrying the team.. (you... right?)

Man.. so glad Im insecure enough to rely on these gangs to fight my battles for me. Millions of bad employees but only 5 rockstar developers like yourself.

I dont stand a chance.

[wutbrodo]

> Man.. so glad Im insecure enough

I know you're saying this sarcastically, but in the context of the rest of your comments, it sounds a lot more like self-pity. Take a second to read the comments you're responding and realize how much you're projecting your own complexes onto comments that are saying nothing close to what you seem to think they are.

[unknowns]

"It sounds a lot more like self pity" is the very definition of you projecting onto my words. I dont need to read my words, I wrote them.