[josteink]

Not HTTPS. DNS over HTTPS.

If we create internet infrastructure (like DNS over HTTPS) which prevents network operators from actually operating their networks, I’m 100% confident we will find it has bad, unintended and irreversible consequences.

[joshstrange]

If by "network operators" you mean ISP's then I don't care. They have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that they are malicious ones more often than not and I want them to be a dumb pipe NOT someone who is mucking around with my network. I will take being able to PICK who I trust my DNS with over being forced to use my ISP's any day of the week. One of those things I can change, one of them I cannot.

[josteink]

By network operator I mean me, the person controlling my own local network.

Also: ISPs behave nice almost everywhere in the world where there is proper regulation.

What you have in the US is not a technical problem. It’s a regulatory one.

[disiplus]

yup, hey i bought this device, that i cannot see what it is doing exactly. great.

[LinuxBender]

Agreed. Many orgs will end up null routing the DoH resolver IP addresses. I warned them about this from the start of DoH development and they ignored me, since most end users won't block anything.