[RPLong]

I guess I didn't realize how many commentators here were New Yorkers. XD

Everyone's moving to more comfortable places with lower costs of living. NYC is not an attractive place for job candidates unless those candidates are already in NYC. Even companies with a strong presence in NYC are expanding in places like Nashville, Omaha, Dallas, Denver, etc. rather than in NYC.

At some point, New Yorkers ought to ask themselves why everyone wants to move to these nice midwestern cities.

[gipp]

This is... Simply not accurate. NYC job market for tech is extremely hot and getting hotter.

Consider that your perspective might be skewed because people in lower COL areas tend to be those who place more emphasis on COL?

[RPLong]

Tech market is hot everywhere. NYC has been an aberration on cost of living for my whole lifetime and more. What's new is the plethora of tech jobs outside of NYC and SF. Again, ask yourself why great tech jobs would suddenly appear in Nashville, TN. Why would that happen? Why do you think?

[ianstallings]

Truth. I took a lower paying job in the midwest, and I can now save a lot more money, while also living a less stressful life. NYC is a really cool city and I enjoyed living there. But I "did my time".

I think more and more tech workers are going to wake up to the fact that while mega-city life can be cool, it's not the only way to live.

[asdff]

I mean the only reason why you save a lot more money now is because your current lower paying job had a better negotiated salary. You could have just as easily gotten a job with less take home pay in Omaha than in NY.

I think there is something to be said about early career people rushing to NY and not realizing how much 80k really is, though. Schools should really have a class for all majors that just goes over how you calculate and compare cost of living and put a price on benefits, including the intangible benefits like having other employers you could move laterally among without planning to uproot and go 1000 miles away.

[sotojuan]

I’m not sure why tech workers think they’re special. Almost everyone that moves to NYC for a good office job goes through this. Moving to a suburb or another city after age 35 is a stereotype. So is staying here and enjoying a DINK or single life (unless you have a lot of money!).

Job-wise, the NYC tech market is as good as ever.

[ianstallings]

This may shock you but we have cities out here. I live in one and walk to work. Not the suburbs. That being said, what is your overall point?

[RPLong]

Well, technically it's not as good as it was yesterday...

[wgerard]

> At some point, New Yorkers ought to ask themselves why everyone wants to move to these nice midwestern cities.

Not sure why you chose the midwest as a qualifier here - out of all the cities you listed, only Omaha would be considered a midwestern city.

Out of the 15 fastest growing cities according to the Census, almost none of them are in the midwest [1] (Only one really: Columbus). Admittedly it's over a short time span.

Also: #5 is LA, a city I don't think anyone would consider to be low cost of living.

The real story is that the south (+ Texas, depending on what you consider Texas) seems to be growing rapidly, not the midwest.

1: https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2018/estimate...

[RPLong]

I mean, you could focus on whether the word "midwest" is accurate, or you could take my point that there is a reason why people are moving out of places like NYC in favor of less dense cities that don't smell like urine.

[wgerard]

> I mean, you could focus on whether the word "midwest" is accurate

It's actually pretty important, because the crux of your argument is that they're moving to places with much a lower CoL. If people are moving from NYC to LA/Seattle/etc., your argument doesn't really hold much water.

> or you could take my point that there is a reason why people are moving out of places like NYC in favor of less dense cities that don't smell like urine.

Where are you getting that information from? As far as I can tell, NYC has had about a 6% population growth since 2010. It actually matches the US overall population growth pretty well, which is pretty impressive for what is far and away the most populated city in the country.

[RPLong]

> If people are moving from NYC to LA/Seattle/etc., your argument doesn't really hold much water.

Gee, I don't remember mentioning "LA/Seattle/etc." by name. Unlike some other cities that I mentioned by name. Did you see the part where I mentioned cities by name?

> As far as I can tell, NYC has had about a 6% population growth since 2010. It actually matches the US overall population growth pretty well

Great, now compare that to the growth rates of Dallas or Nashville or etc.

[saemil]

Columbus is considered the midwest? It is North and EAST of Nashville.

[wgerard]

Ohio is definitely considered the midwest.

[sudosteph]

Nashville and Dallas aren't quite midwestern (nor is Denver really), but your point stands. Costs to live and work in the big coastal cities just seem to keep rising, but many folks are not getting enough additional value out of living in those places to justify paying it. This pattern is probably going to keep up for a while, especially because remote work is such a good deal for both companies and employees if they can do it right.

[jayess]

I hope they don't. I'm happy with my low-cost midwestern town.