[diddid]

I think one thing to remember that people who buy a Toyota drive it like it's... a Toyota. Cars that are driven hard will break down faster than cars that aren't, and I'm guessing the average BMW is pushed harder than the average Toyota. My wife can put a hole in a pair of nice running shoes faster than I can even wear tread off of a junky pair. Use matters, not all miles are equal.

[kenhwang]

Doesn't explain the Porsche tie with Toyota unless you're suggesting Porsche drivers are more like Toyota drivers than BMW.

[diddid]

I’m not saying it’s the only factor just a single factor that people tend to overlook. But I think Porsche has a higher percentage of car enthusiast in addition to a higher quality build process. So the owners will take better care of the car, won’t drive it in poor weather etc, where a BMW is often a daily driver. Again, not saying it’s the factor just a factor. Like I just saw something that was “Here are states with the worst drivers” but the data was based on speeding tickets etc. So to me they should have really said “Here are the states with the most enforcement”. Ok, maybe not related at all.

[theluketaylor]

porsche builds their cars for track work, so even hard driving around town is light load for them (maybe not the macan).

Hard launches are among the toughest thing you can do to an ICE car. Most cars with launch control can do a few launches and then something overheats and the car refuses to do any more for a while. A car journalist tried to launch a PDK 911 until it failed. He got bored after 50 straight launches and stopped.

[kenhwang]

Well, boredom and to commemorate the 911's 50th birthday.

[benjohnson]

Porsche began to copy Toyota's Production System a while ago and is now a leader in lean manufacturing. I know this sounds weird.

[kenhwang]

The story behind Porsche, Toyota, and how the Boxster came to be is pretty fascinating: https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/car-design/a28621/a...

If you look at CR's most reliable brands, it's Lexus, Toyota, Mazda, Subaru in that order. Funny coincidence that they're all Toyota affiliated.

[black-tea]

You can get fun Toyotas. Celicas and Supras will be driven hard. They are still reliable.

[zokula]

You're lying to yourself if you think that's the case.

[diddid]

Which part? The part that BMWs are driven harder than Toyota’s or that driving a car to its limits more often negatively affects its long term reliability?