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by gmueckl 2687 days ago
It is not better. I don't know what type FirstName or Age is. Can Age be negative? Is FirstName an array of char or a string? Can FirstName be more than 10 characters long? It could be a double value for all I can tell from that line of code!
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The select statement is projecting the Customer type from either an external data source or an in memory source. That information wouldn’t be encoded into the POCO whether or not it was anonymous.

Changing select new {...} to Select new SeniorPeople {...} wouldn’t give you any more information. At most if I was writing that as part of a repository class I would be sending you back an IEnumerable<SeniorPeople>.

If you were to send me an expression to use in the where clause you would send me an

<Expression<Func<SeniorPeople,bool>>

You have no idea what that expression is going to be translated to until runtime.

Either way, you are just working with non concrete Expression Trees that could be transformed into IL, SQL, a MongoQuery etc. All of the constrainsts would be handled by your data store.

You don’t even know before hand whether you are iterating over an in memory list, or streaming from an external data source.

I could switch out Sql Server for Mongo and you as the client wouldn’t be any the wiser.

And we haven’t even gotten to the complication if the result set was the result of a LINQ grouping operation.

You are comstructing an elaborate strawman that does nothing to work in your favor. If anything, yur essay just makes it clear that it is impossible to glean the data type from the LINQ expression itself.

Yet, any code using its result will contain implicit assumptions about that data. Therefore, in order to maintain type safety, the expected type of the return value must he stated.

That type must also be independent from whatever LINQ does internally to produce that return value. Otherwise, the LINQ providers wouldn't be as exchangeable as you claim.

You also included information about “constraints” like is it a positive or negative number and string length. That wouldn’t be encoded in the type. Why would I go look up the types either way? I’m using a strongly typed language, the IDE would tell me that anyway. While I am writing code, I see a red dot showing me immediately if I’m using the type incorrectly. Any assumptions that were incorrect, I would get immediate feedback.
Not necessarily. Is Age unsigned or not? This constrains the possible range of values. In other contexts, there is a lot more information inferred by the integer type used.
Do you actually work with C#, LINQ and generics?
Yes. I am quite familiar with them.
Then tell me how you can model in C# a type where a property can’t be negative or a certain length.

    class Foo {
      public uint Bar { get; set; }

      private char[] _baz;

      public char[] Baz { get { return _baz;} }

      public Foo() { _baz = new char[5]; }
    }
This is cheating a bit on the array part. But the length of that char array is set in stone and cannot be changed from the outside. However, the Bar property uses a standard C# datatype.
How do you want to model this in C#? Write a full class with all kinds of checking for a single LINQ operation? That will be a very bloated codebase.