[superasn]

You are 100% right about that. I've nearly tried almost all PHP frameworks, quite extensively I may add and at the end of the day I found that the less framework I use the better and faster my dev is. Now I just use packages from composer as needed and never ever use them anymore.

For me Laravel was a nightmare to use with Vue. Both template engines (blade, vue) use moustache tags so everything has to be declared inside @vetbatim. Then mix doesn't even compare to ease of vue cli imo. Then the nested directory structure was so confusing (was it inside resource folder, or controller folder). I've never been happier since I ditched these opinionated frameworks

[mg]

Interesting. Coding without a framework is rare these days. I would like to hear more about how you do the basic infrastructure stuff usually provided by a framework:

Routing

Templating

DB abstraction

[brightball]

This is actually something I have been predicting for PHP for a while. Frameworks are beneficial when languages don’t have built in support for the core needs of your task, so those needs a built into the framework and abstracted away.

With both PHP and JS this isn’t the case, which is why you see SO many frameworks for them: all of the parts are already there so the frameworks are mostly just rearranging things. Ruby, Python, Go, etc are general purpose so the frameworks provide a lot more support.

PHP’s biggest hang up for years was lack of name spacing for good module support so EVERY framework had their own version of every core feature you’d need abstracted around its framework naming schema. Can you imagine every framework writing their own database drivers...because that was happening.

As soon as Composer was released it was only going to be a matter of time before the ecosystem started to clean itself up from 9 different ways to install shared code.

Glad to see it’s happening.

[jdpedrie]

PHP's package manager makes it really easy to pull in components a la carte. Similar to OP, I rarely use a large framework like Symfony or Laravel. I have a base application I wrote which I like, and I layer components I trust and whose API fits my preferences as I require them.

Additionally, the PSR project has standardized a lot of APIs (HTTP request/response, logging, cache to name a few), which means if a package conforms to PSR, you get interop out of the box and can quickly swap implementations if needed.

[tylerjwilk00]

Composer was a game changer. Instead of a monolithic framework you just compose your app with the dependencies it needs.

    composer require guzzlehttp/guzzle

Now you have GuzzleHttp available to your app. This way you include only what is needed.

[pasta]

As for using Vue and moustache template engines: you can set the delimiters Vue uses:

   new Vue({ delimiters: ['${', '}']...