[drngdds]

>They are quite neutral and generally "human friendly".

They are certainly reasonable and human-friendly! But "you shouldn't be xenophobic or transphobic" is still, unfortunately, a relatively left-wing idea. It excludes people who openly hold beliefs that are very popular within the mainstream American right.

[RankingMember]

Sorry that someone telling you, essentially, "Don't be shitty to people who are different from you" is a left vs right ideological issue for you.

[gfwhukuu]

Under those rules, for example, you can be expected to get banned for saying "refugees do not belong in Europe", which is not a personal attack and is pretty much a normal right-wing stance to take.

[RankingMember]

If you're a refugee and someone posts that, how would you feel? Would you consider it a personal attack? Someone challenges your very existence in a place you escaped to only because the circumstances you came from were so dire you felt you had no choice but to uproot your life and leave the land you were born into...and that's not personal?

You can hold whatever selfish, "fuck you, got mine- try being born into better circumstances next time, losers!" opinion you want. Your free speech doesn't mean everyone else has to listen intently and earnestly and keep themselves from thinking you're being an a-hole for holding the opinions you do. It also doesn't mean some private social media outlets can't tell you to piss off for posting them in a forum about metal music. There are plenty of places online where you can post such an opinion and be back-slapped and congratulated; lamenting that one takes a preemptive stance against opinions you hold is pretty tender for one who takes such a cold-hearted stance against refugees.

[gfwhuuku]

The same could be said of every other political stance to take, no? Socially, or economically.

See how libertarians see taxes. They could also write some melancholic paragraphs like yours. "Imagine you're a hard, honest worker and someone told you part of your money is not yours, you have to give up some of it and give it to the government. Would you consider it a personal attack? Someone challenges your very right to have your own property... and that's not personal?"

The thing is that, yes, wanting to reduce the amount of immigrants (for example) is a mainstream political stance. Brexit happened over less! We should be able to have and express our own political ideas as long as we don't go out of our way to harass people over them.

This is not about that Mastodon instance in particular, since most instances have the same left-leaning rules.

[RankingMember]

The difference between our two stories is that one is about your property and one is about your right to exist. Surely you see that these are not equivalent. One is telling someone "I don't want you here, so go back home to be murdered by the warlords you fled" and the other is "give me some of your money otherwise carry on".

>The thing is that, yes, wanting to reduce the amount of immigrants (for example) is a mainstream political stance.

We were talking about refugees, not immigrants.

[gfwhuuku]

If you don't pay your taxes you go to jail, which in some places could be in the same ballpark as whatever is actually happening in Syria (I don't really believe in what the UN says).

Most refugees are economic migrants, as their going to the most favourable countries instead of the closest ones shows: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/europe-grapples-distincti...

Anyway I'm over with this, I was defending free speech, this "refugee" charade is already finished anyway.

[nerdponx]

As a society I think it's a good thing that we are increasingly stigmatizing open bigotry.

[laumars]

No, it's not. It's asking you to simply not post nasty stuff. It doesn't mean you have to embrace other cultures, sexualities or whatnot. It doeesn't even mean you have to like them. It just means keep any nasty comments about such things to yourself (or go say it elsewhere).

It's a really sad time for humanity if common courtesy is now considered "left-wing".

[gfwhukku]

>It doesn't mean you have to embrace other cultures, sexualities or whatnot.

The rules literally say:

>You shall Fight racism and discrimination

Which, on my book, is left wing. (And open to be arbitrarily enforced. How do I prove I've been fighting discrimination?)

[Digit-Al]

This is only a guess, but from the context I would assume that he means that if you see someone posting racist or other discriminatory toots(?) that you should challenge them.

[gfwhukuu]

So if they check server-side that I've read a "discriminatory toot" (whatever that means) and I haven't "challenged the guy" (whatever that means) or reported him I can expect to be banned?

[laumars]

Clearly the intent of that line is just that people should feel encouraged to report any hate speech.

I don't really understand why you've taken such an objection to the very concept of keeping hurtful comments to yourself on some specific public forums; but in any case I get the feeling that you're now just arguing for the sake of arguing.

[runyor]

What most "right-wing" thinkers ignore is the fact that they consider excluding others IS THE REASON that people exclude THEM.

That's also part of what is freedom. Your freedom ends at the point where you limit the freedom of others. Otherwise the other person wouldn't be free.

That's also why most non-right-wing thinkers don't consider that another point of view, but simply selfish and asshole-ish.

Therefore if you want to argue your point, maybe you shouldn't highlight what you fight AGAINST (i.e. "left-wingers out", "refugees out") but what you fight FOR, which in some regards also boils down to respecting each other's freedom, right? Show that and you will find that doors will open for discussion.

I personally discuss with both people who would be defined as left-wing as well as with people who would be defined as right-wing. Both sides have reasonable people and some reasonable arguments, that are sadly sometimes hidden underneath many layers of bullshit.

[wolco]

Off topic but is transphobic a word the way it is being used. Shouldn't it be trans-a-phonic. Transphobic sounds like being afraid of vampires..