[sametmax]

Does it look like any local fighting in the middle east is winning ?

Also, I've you looked at the body count on each sides ?

And in the end, don't the USA have the control of the local natural resources exactly as they wanted to ?

[AWildC182]

Doesn't look like anyone is winning really. If the military leaves right now, we'll probably just have ISIS 2.0 in a few years.

Urban combat is really painful for all involved. If it was like shooting goats from a helicopter wouldn't the conflict be over already?

[sametmax]

Counter terrorism is not the real reason there is a war here. Several countries in Europe fight terrorism, and they don't need to go to war.

The american are still here because they benefit from it.

[pfisch]

Winning a war and body counts are not the same thing.

Even in vietnam the US had a good ratio in terms of killing Vietnamese vs allied deaths. That doesn’t mean the US was winning.

[sametmax]

The local fighters are slaughtered in mass for very little effect toward their objectives of liberation while the US still maintain control of the natural resources the way they want.

Winning is not always necessary.