[LoSboccacc]

> That's how it's always worked and you've gotten used to this

but still, instead of going trough the full checklist they stopped and tried repeatedly whatever fixed the issue in the past/on the simulator.

a more complete analogy:

"follow these ten step do diagnose a bug on the software"

"but last time it was just a compilation flag, I'll check the compilation flags"

"bug persists"

"last time it was just a compilation flag, I'll check compilation flags"

"bug persists"

"last time it was just a compilation flag, I'll check the compilation flags"

"system halts"

[crooked-v]

From what I understand, part of the problem was that it helped temporarily... and then the system pointed the nose down again.

[LoSboccacc]

yeah I'm not siding with Boing here, what I'm saying is that pilots are given checklists for a reason, and going by the usual hunches instead of following the checklist as they were supposed to is as much a failure in training as is a failure in the plane user interface.

[FabHK]

While the trim is not too far down, you can still counteract it with elevator (pulling the yoke). But then, MACS kicks in again and pushes the trim further and further down, and if you don't trim up and/or switch the trim cut-out, then you get into the situation where you can't recover anymore using the yoke.

[acklenx]

"system halts"

That's one heck of an analogy! Brutal