[theredbox]

I have the feeling that you have literally no idea what you are talking about. Like at all. This usually comes from self entitles semi-decent full stack developers building same old crappy systems that break apart as soon as they get any decent usage.

Guys not all of you are the mythical 10x engineers working on the ground breaking stuff. Deal with it.

We have had most of these technologies way before they became commoditized. What we have done is that we have made them cheaper and more accessible to your average joe.

Containers ? Give me a break. We have had Solaris Zones provisioning mechanisms at large telcos before any of you even knew what a container is. People have been provisioning jails/zones with a click of a button for ages.

It's funny to me because just 10y ago people like you were yelling and screaming about losing jobs to offshore developers in India and Eastern Europe. There's no apocalypse anytime soon.

Things are getting revamped, they are better, faster and what's more important they are accessible. Just because you know how to use docker does not mean you are able to manage a production ready infrastructure. AWS or any of the big providers are not a silver bullet. Never will be. They are at the end of the day very costly services not suitable for all business.

[tyingq]

Cloud doesn't have to be actually better, cheaper, faster, etc, to consolidate and reduce ops, system admin and network jobs. It just has to be highly popular.

[theredbox]

So the jobs change. They move into "Developer" category where we will hire Developer with domain knowledge of "networks", "systems" or "operations".

I have seen it many times with big data, chatops (we wont ever need to login to the system! we will do everything via hipchat/slack/whatever), openstack (who even needs aws?!).

Yadda yadda.

[tyingq]

The work to manage infrastructure is smaller if most of it is centralized at Amazon or similar. Yes, there's still client side work, but there's an overall shift, consolidate, reduce, pattern.