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by porpoisely 2696 days ago
Homer also wrote of Helen of Troy who was abducted and raped by Paris. Also a major western history stems from a couple of ancient greek warriors fighting over booty ( aka women they got from conquest ).

Also, Penelope didn't choose the least violent man. Her criteria for marriage was the most masculine man who could use Odysseus's bow and shoot an arrow through twelve axe heads. So even if you are correct, my position still stands.

If you want to argue that female selection within narrow limits occurred, then so be it. That's not much of a selection. Using that reasoning, two male lion brothers taking over a pride, killing all the cubs and giving the females the option of mating between them is female selection.

I can't believe you are using greek myth and myth based on "nobility" to argue human selection. Maybe it's just me, but a british princess given the choice of marrying a german prince or a french prince doesn't represent "female selection" to me.

As I said, we have genetic evidence ( less diverse Y chromosomes ), historical evidence and biological evidence proving that the dominant evolutionary cause isn't female selection. It is males dominating and keeping their competitors away.

Look at the genetic "diversity" of mexico after the spanish conquest. Nearly 70% of the Y chromosomes are from european ancestory, 30% of the Y chromosome is from native ancestory, nearly 100% of the X chromosomes are from native ancestry. Do you think it was by "female selection" or the fact that spaniards brutally ruled over the natives and had the power to kill and mate with whomever they wanted?

A disproportionate portion black male Y chromosomes in the US are of european ancestry. Do you think it was because black slaves had a choice or because the white male slavers with the power had the power to have their way?

Do you think the genetic makeup of the US is a result of native female selection or because of conquest, genocide, rape, etc? Do you think pocahontas asked to be kidnapped, taken from her baby and her native husband and shipped to england?

Whatever female selection occurred happened within a male mating framework. That's my point. And the overarching driving factor in human evolution has been driven by males. You can't explain human history without it. You can't explain the current geography without it. The US isn't mostly white because of female selection. China isn't mostly chinese because of female selection.