[soganess]

I'm not trying to imply the situation is perfect, but its way more workable than you are letting on.

In the gnome world, you are stuck with GTK3 apps if you want partial scaling that looks alright, but there are options for web browsers.

* Epiphany has supported Wayland since the time of the dinosaurs. And I know its not a perfect browser, but it (1) looks native (2) starts up in a second, (3) has libva support support for hardware accelerated video, (4) has a built in adblocker.

As for mainstream browsers:

* Developer builds of Firefox support Wayland straight from Mozilla: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Firefox-...

* Most big name distros have some blessed(like fedora) or less blessed (aur/ppa) builds of the latest stable version of Firefox with baked in wayland support.

[vetinari]

I admit, that I haven't looked at Epiphany for a long time, because at the time I did (~2 years ago), it didn't even support SPNEGO/GSSAPI.

The Fedora Wayland Firefox package is experimental for a reason; there are bugs, that would be quite embarrassing for a default browser.

[soganess]

Epiphany for all its virtues is simply not that fast of a browser when compared to Firefox or Chrome. If I ever find myself with enough free time to dedicate to an OSS project, it will be epiphany. Never has there been such a diamond in the rough.

It's very serviceable if you are on a fast computer, and hardware accelerated video in a linux web browser is such a treat, but I bet any given release of the big boys has more patches in it than a year's worth of epiphany builds.

As for firefox-wayland, I've seen that fat bug tracker, and it doesn't have webrender or many of the fancier performance stuff working, but it does run well. I've been bouncing between the two browsers for a few months now and there doesn't seem to be any showstopping issues. It's just not as shiny as the real deal firefox.

[vetinari]

Wayland Firefox: For me, it doesn't work at all with scaling, and on another machine with no scaling, opening new window (in the sense of a new wayland surface, so that includes dialogs) could take 30-60 seconds, during which Firefox would be completely unresponsive (this was fixed in v65 yesterday).

Hw accelerated videos: some distributions (fedora, suse, arch?) have patched Chromium with VA-API support. On some GPUs, the allow_rgb10_configs raises it's ugly head though. In also works only in native X11, not in Xwayland. Other than that, it is only way to watch youtube during the more intensive compiles :)

[floatboth]

I'm not sure what made it into v65, but Nightly works pretty well with different scale monitors :)

[vetinari]

Yes, v65 as packaged by Fedora finally works!