[dunpeal]

Do you also advocate for an embargo of China, which pollutes at over twice the rate of the US?

How about embargo of the EU, which currently pollutes at roughly the same rate?

Did you know that energy production in the US is overall more environmentally friendly than in Germany, for example?

[thatfrenchguy]

The US has one of the highest CO2 per capita of the OECD. Germany emits half the CO2 per capita that the US does.

Also, Chinese people don’t drive stupid big SUV and trucks while running the AC on full blast all summer.

[OkGoDoIt]

I’ve been in plenty of stupid big SUV’s with air conditioning blasting in the summer while in China. Big SUV’s are a status symbol and China summers are horrendously hot.

That being said I’m much more concerned with trash burning (it still happens, I’ve seen it plenty when driving outside of cities) and the byproducts of the intense construction that can’t be slowed down without seriously hurting their economy. I know multiple Chinese people with their retirement investments in concrete manufacturing companies that are losing big with recent government clamping down on that.

Both of these are anecdotal, sure, but then again I don’t trust official Chinese government data so anecdotal has some value.

The USA and other developed countries went through their own periods of abusing the environment during their industrial revolutions so I have to assume China will get through this as well. Things are already improving. And at least their government acknowledges it’s something they need to improve rather than actively regressing like the USA.

[slededit]

The US emits more CO2 while Europe releases far more NOx and other more “traditional” pollutants.

The diesel emissions scandal in the US had a European counterpart that was never dealt with. 2018 models are still polluting far above the official limits which themselves are more lax than the US. [1]

[1] https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/09/180921140151.h...

[pygy_]

The effect of those "other more “traditional” pollutants" is mostly local, whereas global warming and ocean acidification are global.

[slededit]

Ocean acidification is a global problem. NOx smog may seem local but it has large scale effects.

[pygy_]

Ocean acidification is a consequence of the massive CO2 emissions. CO2 is an acid.

[tguedes]

So place an embargo on the US because people want to buy big cars? That seems smart.

[7952]

Per capita CO2 emissions are much worse in the US than China. China also has CO2 reduction policies and a massive drive to adopt modern generating technology.

The US is often singled out because of a dogmatic refusal to accept reality, and policies that actively increase emissions.

[F_r_k]

Actually, per capita, the US is worse

Time to get up